"Sicko" Michael Moore

[Scuba Steve]

Soggy, I don't understand why you think I'm attacking you. Sure, I made one statement directed at you, but to say you believe someone because they are well known is ridiculous. So, in response, you attacked me, rather than trying to prove me wrong. I'm not trying to get in a fight with anyone, so please stop. I simply disagree with you.

Why can't you just debate with me, rather than attacking me? Is it because you do not know as much as you think? You exaggerate your post, making it seem like I was out to get you.

I am not going to go around the world and film something that you want. Again, ridiculous. Two people who have lived in other countries have already said the wait times are bad. If you don't know who I'm talking about (or perhaps just don't read) they are Otter and England. Sure, Englad said they aren't that bad, but I am not talking about England in general.

Originally Posted by SoggyMilk

SHOW me these under-privileged people getting sub-par treatment

Please SHOW me where I said this.

In case you stopped reading my post after I "insulted" you, I stated that I know the American health system is not the best, I KNOW IT ISN'T.

The U.S. Government needs to realize that it is not a business, but a service.

All I am stating, is that other countries that Moore portrays as flawless systems are not. They do have flaws.

England, perhaps England does not have much of a downgrade of equipment. If I were you, I wouldn't go as far as saying because you've had two instances that the equipment wasn't much worse than American equipment, all of England has the same.

Also, please don't accuse me of not reading entire posts. I've always been a firm believer that if you don't read, you shouldn't post. If I'm going to argue with someone, I will always read every last word of what they have to say.

Dans has a point which I forgot to point out. Sure, it is easier to pay less amounts over a long period of time, but for the average person (average meaning no extensive injury), Americans would be better off.

I do not know how much each country pays in taxes or what the average total spent towards them in a lifetime, but I'm going to find out. It could be a surprise.

[BoyEngland]

I would like to know how much i am paying for my healthcare also in England, that way I wont get screwed by taxes!

I agree that he presents other system flawlessly though. He shouldn't do it, but if he was to show the bad parts of the others, the whole point of his story would be lost. It would then turn into a "system vs system" movie (like this thread) rather than a "fix the US system" movie that it is supposed to be.

Both of you raise good points, I just want to see who can win my opinion over with their posts. This is the first argument (not intended to be, I know) in I dont know how long where both sides have valid points and aren't just fan boys.

The equipment used on me in England was good by my standards however I haven't had American equipment used on me other than a measuring tape and a weighing scale, so I cant compare the 2. I just know that there is nothing wrong with any equipment I have seen in England, I should have cleared that up. Note though, that 95% of the hospitals in England are very old. One of the main ones in the city I am from was founded in the 50's and one of them was founded in 1878! The one I was treat at opened in 1876 and that is easily the second most modernized hospital (on the inside) in the city.

It does vary in England as I am sure it does in America, don't get wrong though, I have been driving past a hospital over here for almost 3 years and I always thought it was a hotel until I actually read the signs.

EDIT - Forgot to mention, the movie has been removed from the place I watched it, a lot of people will miss out now.

[SoggyMilk]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

Soggy, I don't understand why you think I'm attacking you. Sure, I made one statement directed at you, but to say you believe someone because they are well known is ridiculous. So, in response, you attacked me, rather than trying to prove me wrong. I'm not trying to get in a fight with anyone, so please stop. I simply disagree with you.

Why can't you just debate with me, rather than attacking me? Is it because you do not know as much as you think? You exaggerate your post, making it seem like I was out to get you.

I am not going to go around the world and film something that you want. Again, ridiculous. Two people who have lived in other countries have already said the wait times are bad. If you don't know who I'm talking about (or perhaps just don't read) they are Otter and England. Sure, Englad said they aren't that bad, but I am not talking about England in general.



Please SHOW me where I said this.

In case you stopped reading my post after I "insulted" you, I stated that I know the American health system is not the best, I KNOW IT ISN'T.

The U.S. Government needs to realize that it is not a business, but a service.

All I am stating, is that other countries that Moore portrays as flawless systems are not. They do have flaws.

England, perhaps England does not have much of a downgrade of equipment. If I were you, I wouldn't go as far as saying because you've had two instances that the equipment wasn't much worse than American equipment, all of England has the same.

Also, please don't accuse me of not reading entire posts. I've always been a firm believer that if you don't read, you shouldn't post. If I'm going to argue with someone, I will always read every last word of what they have to say.

Dans has a point which I forgot to point out. Sure, it is easier to pay less amounts over a long period of time, but for the average person (average meaning no extensive injury), Americans would be better off.

I do not know how much each country pays in taxes or what the average total spent towards them in a lifetime, but I'm going to find out. It could be a surprise.

I had written a long response to this trifle of a post.... Then I realized how stupid I'd look for even continuing this dumb discussion.

Don't respond to me, and I won't respond to you. Keep it at that, and have a nice day.

[Scuba Steve]

It would be easy to say that if I had exploded and insulted you, yet it's clearly not the case here.

The only thing you look stupid for are your comments and lack of knowledge on the subject.

[SoggyMilk]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

It would be easy to say that if I had exploded and insulted you, yet it's clearly not the case here.

The only thing you look stupid for are your comments and lack of knowledge on the subject.

Clearly not the case?

Just shut up. Seriously, just stop talking to me, I can't have a conversation with you, as you're an idiot; continue your conversation with someone else.

[BoyEngland]

Originally Posted by SoggyMilk

Clearly not the case?

Just shut up. Seriously, just stop talking to me, I can't have a conversation with you, as you're an idiot; continue your conversation with someone else.

Honestly I dont think Scuba insulted or attacked anyone. You are like my Mom for crying out loud, she cannot differentiate between a discussion and a full blown argument either.

How is it that you always turn a good and cent thread into you against the world?

I was "taking your side" with your valid points, but you just go downhill with every post you make.

Although Scuba was not, I am "exploding and insulting" you (if you see it like that), ***** and moan all you like.

[SoggyMilk]

Originally Posted by BoyEngland

Honestly I dont think Scuba insulted or attacked anyone. You are like my Mom for crying out loud, she cannot differentiate between a discussion and a full blown argument either.

How is it that you always turn a good and cent thread into you against the world?

I was "taking your side" with your valid points, but you just go downhill with every post you make.

Although Scuba was not, I am "exploding and insulting" you (if you see it like that), ***** and moan all you like.

I don't care if you take my side.... or not.

And you? I don't even think much of you to even respond correctly. Good bye, fellow immigrant.

[Scuba Steve]

England, I wouldn't bother with Soggy. The last three PMs I have received from him have more name calling, swearing, and immature nonsense than when 7SEALS roamed the forums.

In other words, it's a lost cause.

I'm just glad most of the other people posting in this thread can be civil.

[SoggyMilk]

Originally Posted by dansdarkside

They pay for their health care with high taxes. And in Canada when they moved to the Health care they have they had a migration of doctors leaving and coming to the states.

I have not seen the movie yet but I plan to.

PM me for the link to the version that was released online. I believe Moore released it himself, as it's been on that site for a WHILE now, and I doubt that they'd allow copyrighted material to remain on it without consent from the author...

[dansdarkside]

Done. So how long dose it take to DL.

Was the movie any good?