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    I am looking into getting a computer for school, but I also want something that will run games smoothly. I've looked at about every website Google throws at me, but it's all gibberish to me. If someone could explain the things I need from the things that are irrelevant I would appreciate it.
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    You need to give a little more details. Whats your budget, laptop or desktop, how much space do you have if its a desktop, does appearance matter, etc.

    You will be paying out of your behind for pre-built gaming desktops such as alienwares and so called gaming laptops. The retail computers at stores like best buy and walmart will not give you an enjoyable gaming experience on almost every game made within the last 3 years.
    PCs are the epitome of capitalism: elitism, expensive, exclusive.
    Wait, no that belongs to consoles. Ignorant people getting scammed into buying terrible devices that can't even play games in 1080p/60fps
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    The 7 -$800 range, and I would prefer a desktop. Something I could hook into my TV, with the the capability of having 2 monitors. Something that could be upgraded would be nice as well. So if I have to get a below par graphics card to get a better computer overall, I would like to be able to upgrade it.
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    7 to 8? You'll get a pretty badass computer with that capable of playing any game today at great performance. It's really good you said that. For people that see this as a hobby and only buy high end stuff like myself, you basically get less for your money buying enthusiast hardware. On the flip side buying low end junk goes the same way. There's some GPUs out there that cost about $80, but get less than half the performance of GPUs that cost $110. That's something important to remember. I'll make a few wish list on newegg later tonight and try to get into your budget, just to show the range of hardware you'll be able to get.

    Now, do you have: a mouse and keyboard, speakers, monitor, and windows disk?
    PCs are the epitome of capitalism: elitism, expensive, exclusive.
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    you musta missed out on black friday deals..

    I got a brand new, cheap azz laptop for $200... just to run errands for work, so I don't have to use up processing power on my Main.

    works great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFightin View Post
    I'll make a few wish list on newegg later tonight and try to get into your budget, just to show the range of hardware you'll be able to get.

    Now, do you have: a mouse and keyboard, speakers, monitor, and windows disk?
    Appreciate it man.

    I don't have a windows disc, and I was going to use my TV as my monitor. I don't have a mouse or keyboard, either.
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    Processor: AMD FX-8350
    Motherboard: ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3
    Disc drive: ASUS 24X DVD Burner
    Hard Drive: Western Digital Blue 7200rpm 500GB
    Power Supply: Antec HCG M Series HCG-620M 620W (I wouldn't go less than 500w and brand doesn't matter. Antec PSUs are rebranded from a company called Seasonic who make great PSUs)

    These parts are about $400 on the nose at Newegg.com. Add $100 for an operating system.

    As for a GPU, both brands are ridiculously priced right now. Nvidia cards are always going to be more expensive than their AMD counter parts. AMD GPUs will perform a little less in specific tiers, but you usually get a better bang for your buck with an AMD card. Key word...usually. Right now there's this huge Bitcoin mining garbage going on that has inflated the price of AMD cards. Apparently AMD's cards are much better at this Bitcoin mining compared to Nvidia. For example a R9 280x was $300 last month, and now its up to over $400. Simply put, you're going to be paying a lot more for any GPU right now. That said an AMD 7850 will get you a great gaming experience, as would a lower end 7770 which is about $100. I saw a Nvidia 660 for about $200, that's a solid midrange card.

    You'll also need ram. You want at least 4gb. For what you're doing RAM speed shouldn't be a big concern. But like GPUs, RAM is much more expensive now compared to a few months ago. There was a massive fire in a warehouse in China destroyed about 25 percent of the memory market, so prices really spiked up and are changing every day.

    Then go ahead and pick out a mid tower case, mouse, and keyboard. You can get decent ones for all three combined under $100.

    Combined this is probably at the high $800 range, however I expect the prices of most of these components to drop a good amount after the holidays so it should drop it back down to your original budget. These parts in a prebuilt would be over $1000. Some brands to avoid: OCz, MSi, and Powercolor
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    Thanks man, that helps a lot.

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    I just made put everything into a cart and it came out to 859.89. I picks G.Skills rip jaw 8gb for ram, geforce gtx 650 to 2gb, and windows 7 64 bit.
    I couldn't which graphics cards had hdmi outputs, there were so many with crazy number letter combinations. I don't think the one picked is, the picture didn't look like it had it.
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    Which 650 was it? Also its seems like China stopped accepting this whole bitcoin yesterday. Some expect some of the Radeon cards to drop heavily in price.

    Also from looking at some reviews the 650 is an alright card, but the jump in performance to a 660 is worth it. I did a few builds for people with Nvidia cards, but I have always personally used AMD cards. I've been told that the sweet spot price to performance wise for Nvidia is the 6 series as in 660 760, etc. I can't tell you if that's true or not, just what I heard which is why I recommended that one.
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    Wait, no that belongs to consoles. Ignorant people getting scammed into buying terrible devices that can't even play games in 1080p/60fps
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    Asus GTX650TI-OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card. That's exactly how it was listed on newegg. It was 149.99.
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    Asus is the best brand in Laptops these days.

    The way you find out is from Repair / Warranty companies... The ones that have the highest ratio of being returned / repaired = Bad.

    Dell / HP surprisingly were pretty high in repairs / returns...

    While, ASUS was the lowest.

    Go figure....from a company that was relatively unknown in the U.S. 10 years ago..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ak12gage View Post
    Asus GTX650TI-OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card. That's exactly how it was listed on newegg. It was 149.99.
    Not a bad choice but I would look at the prices of a 7870. That GPU is what the One and PS4 tried to target themselves after. It's more powerful than the APUs in those and can go up to 1440p if you ever get a monitor. It's also aged a little better than the 650.

    Whether is hardware or laptops ASUS could possibly be the best manufacture out there, along side EVGA. As of right now I only use Asus, AMD, and Antec for my systems. I have a Corsair K70 as a keyboard and a Corsair force GT for a SSD, everything else starts with an a. I got an ASUS disc drive, ROG crosshair V motherboard, asus 7970, and a GX1000 mouse (this could be the greatest thing I've ever purchased).
    PCs are the epitome of capitalism: elitism, expensive, exclusive.
    Wait, no that belongs to consoles. Ignorant people getting scammed into buying terrible devices that can't even play games in 1080p/60fps
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFightin View Post
    Not a bad choice but I would look at the prices of a 7870. That GPU is what the One and PS4 tried to target themselves after. It's more powerful than the APUs in those and can go up to 1440p if you ever get a monitor. It's also aged a little better than the 650.

    Whether is hardware or laptops ASUS could possibly be the best manufacture out there, along side EVGA. As of right now I only use Asus, AMD, and Antec for my systems. I have a Corsair K70 as a keyboard and a Corsair force GT for a SSD, everything else starts with an a. I got an ASUS disc drive, ROG crosshair V motherboard, asus 7970, and a GX1000 mouse (this could be the greatest thing I've ever purchased).
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    There are lots of prebuilt computer that might suit your needs, but im a big advocate of building your own. Not only do you get the satisfaction of knowing what every part of your pc does, but in the end you get a lot more bang for your buck. There are some risks if things don't work as troubleshooting can be a pain in the butt, but if you're willing to give it a try I highly recommend it. I got a lot of advice and guidance from linustechtips forum/YouTube channel.

    The main things you'll need to know:

    CPU = The brain of your computer. Don't go cheap but you rarely need to go top of the line. For example, an intel i3 is ok but may lack enough power for gaming. An i7 is more often than not too much, especially if you aren't doing any major rendering or 3D work. An i5 is pretty much perfect for everything.
    GPU = Where you will likely dump the most money. This is where you will see the biggest difference in gaming FPS and smooth running. You need to do a lot of research into which card is best for your price but thankfully there are a lot of videos and forums that provide benchmarks, allowing you to get the best bang for your buck.
    Memory (ram) = The temporary memory of your computer, usually 4g isnt enough, 8g is perfect for gaming, 16g is only really necessary for stuff like video rendering.
    Storage = The permanent memory of your comptuer (where you keep files). Today I feel like its necessary to have two hard drives. Get one solid state drive which will run much faster but at the cost of having much less space. That can run your games and operating system (around 100gb). I highly recommend anything by Samsung. A mechanical hard drive wil be much larger in size (around 1TB) and can be used to store documents, music, temporary files etc.
    Power supply unit - Don't cheap out on this! A dirt cheap PSU can burn your house down or fry everything else in your pc. Read up on what's reliable and don't be afraid to ask around. You can find calculators online to help you figure out exactly how much power your system will need (you don't want too much, nor not enough)

    Throw in a case, some peripherals, maybe a 3rd party cooler and you have yourself a computer.
    pcpartppicker is the best website to compare the price of each part online to see what is the best deal where you live.
    Hope this helped!

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    Buy an ASUS for motherboard with Intel CPU support.
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