MLB baseball general discussion thread

[Negative Creep]

Originally Posted by EAsTon

In his Second stint he led the team to many divisional titles and helped develop pitchers like Glavine and Smoltz to Cy Young awards.

C'mon now... I could have sworn that the pitching coach is usually credited and/or in charge of developing "the arms" on a pitching staff...

People may give Bobby Cox all the credit in the world for developing positional players, but I think that Leo Mazzone should get more credit than him for developing pitchers like Glavine and Smoltz.

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I think Joe Torre should be given more credit than is being handed to him here. He at the very least is the only man in the world who could have possibly managed those egos and drama queens the Yankees call players without things boiling over into one giant freak show. He dealt with the media and everyone else questioning his job every single day for the better part of the last four seasons and still managed to win. Granted he had a lot of talent...but did he really go out and say get these guys for me? I don't think that's the reality of it.

[JAKKMOVE]

Oh, where to start with this wonderful posting.........

Let's go to Oxford first. For you to tell me that you "have no respect for me" actually entertains me. I could not care less what you think of me, I could not care less about your opinion, and can tell that you had no thought in curbing your emotions prior to posting.

Every sport's fan has their opinions about certain things. I, for one, have my own opinion on Bobby Cox. I think he sucks, flat out! If you do not like it, take it for what it is, my opinion! If you would like to get into a factual "argument", I will happily do it. Tell me the last coach who "built" a team. At last check, GMs and presidents build a team! That is how professional sports work. Coaches coach, players play, and General managers manage. I am not sure how much easier that can be??? The Braves have been loaded with talent for years. They have had HUGE names on that club for many, many years. David Justice, Fred McGriff, Glavine, Renteria, Maddux, Hudson, Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones, Smoltz, Furcal, Bonilla, Rocker, etc. etc... Did Cox manage these guys into stardom or did he just sit back and watch his potent lineups crush teams? Think about it.......


As for Easton and his Yankees' love...

I am shocked by your defense of Joe Torre. I just wonder how you consider him a good coach while he was with the Yankees? Did he raise any young talent? Did the Yankees farm system get fantastic over the last decade? Nope... Outside of the past year, the Yankees system has been rated dead last by a good number of baseball recruiting mags. If you leave out the young studs that they have now (Kennedy, Chamberlain, Hughes, etc...), their teams have been puchased by a disgruntled GM that you may know as George Steinbrenner. Have you heard of him? Do teams that utilize their farm system have salaries over the 200 million dollar range? Just curious?

I would also like to comment on the "knowledge" of baseball. I live baseball, Easton. I can also comment on 90% of the teams in the majors right now, due to my obsessive following of the sport. I can't comment on the Blue Jays, Orioles, or Mariners due to my not caring about those squads. With the other squads, I can comment on them with a great deal of confidence. I have been watching MLB since you were a thought in your parents' eyes, so tread lightly when you tell me "I know nothing about a team's history." Any fool can go to a team's site and spout off stats. I am not impressed by that!

I would also like to add that I can see your bias in posting by your blind love of the Phillies. On page 100, you make up creative names for a few Mets' players. Johan Santana is overrated? Please explain that. I would like to know how you would explain that since Johan pitched in the AL, where the lineups are deeper and more lethal than they are in the NL. Santana is a stud and will be for years. Also, what else would you like Jose Reyes to do to impress you? The guy does everything you could want from a player. Look at the guys stats and will explain everything. Yes, Rollins is fantastic, but to knock a guy because he is on a rival's team is clearly idiotic. Have some logic in your postings, amigo!

[Negative Creep]

Originally Posted by JAKKMOVE

I would also like to comment on the "knowledge" of baseball. I live baseball, Easton. I can also comment on 90% of the teams in the majors right now, due to my obsessive following of the sport. I can't comment on the Blue Jays, Orioles, or Mariners due to my not caring about those squads. With the other squads, I can comment on them with a great deal of confidence. I have been watching MLB since you were a thought in your parents' eyes, so tread lightly when you tell me "I know nothing about a team's history." Any fool can go to a team's site and spout off stats. I am not impressed by that!

Even if I were not your brother-in-law, I would agree with this statement 110%... very truthful.

[Irish Kin]

Originally Posted by JAKKMOVE

If you do not like it, take it for what it is, my opinion!

You sir are my hero. Many a times, over the internet or face to face, I see people getting pissed at someone for having a different opinion and it turns into a yelling match.

Originally Posted by JAKKMOVE

I can also comment on 90% of the teams in the majors right now, due to my obsessive following of the sport. I can't comment on the Blue Jays, Orioles, or Mariners due to my not caring about those squads.

Then, as a Reds fan, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on them this year. Primarily hiring Dusty Baker and the numberous off-season moves made to add pitching.

[oxfordfreestyl]

Originally Posted by JAKKMOVE

Oh, where to start with this wonderful posting.........

Let's go to Oxford first. For you to tell me that you "have no respect for me" actually entertains me. I could not care less what you think of me, I could not care less about your opinion, and can tell that you had no thought in curbing your emotions prior to posting.

Every sport's fan has their opinions about certain things. I, for one, have my own opinion on Bobby Cox. I think he sucks, flat out! If you do not like it, take it for what it is, my opinion! If you would like to get into a factual "argument", I will happily do it. Tell me the last coach who "built" a team. At last check, GMs and presidents build a team! That is how professional sports work. Coaches coach, players play, and General managers manage. I am not sure how much easier that can be??? The Braves have been loaded with talent for years. They have had HUGE names on that club for many, many years. David Justice, Fred McGriff, Glavine, Renteria, Maddux, Hudson, Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones, Smoltz, Furcal, Bonilla, Rocker, etc. etc... Did Cox manage these guys into stardom or did he just sit back and watch his potent lineups crush teams? Think about it.......

The bolded guys were nothing before they were on the Braves and udner Cox's philsophies. ANd yes creep your right, Leo Mazzone deserves ALOT more credit than Bobby in terms of the pitchers, he's definately one of the top pitching coaches in the league. I miss seeing him next to Bobby in his invisible rocking chair :(

On one more side note, I can't believe you listed Rocker with your list of Braves greats.

[JAKKMOVE]

The Reds have some good talent to go along with some pretty good pitchers, but what they did wrong was signing Dusty Baker. Baker does nothing that is agressive, nor does he work on fundamentals with his team! Trust me, as a Cubs' fan, Baker was a horrible coach. I think Brandon Phillips is the player to watch. Was last year a flash in the pan or will he be able to put up numbers like that all the time??????

Ox - Rocker is really not a great, per se, but when he was on the mound he was a solid closer. My point was that the Braves have a long list of guys who could have been or were annual all-stars!

[oxfordfreestyl]

They were all very hyped when they joined, but just because someone is hyped doesn't mean their going to do great. THey have to have vets and a great coach to lead them the right way.

[EAsTon]

Originally Posted by JAKKMOVE

As for Easton and his Yankees' love...

I am shocked by your defense of Joe Torre. I just wonder how you consider him a good coach while he was with the Yankees? Did he raise any young talent? Did the Yankees farm system get fantastic over the last decade? Nope... Outside of the past year, the Yankees system has been rated dead last by a good number of baseball recruiting mags. If you leave out the young studs that they have now (Kennedy, Chamberlain, Hughes, etc...), their teams have been puchased by a disgruntled GM that you may know as George Steinbrenner. Have you heard of him? Do teams that utilize their farm system have salaries over the 200 million dollar range? Just curious?

Derick Jeter, Aaron Boone(he had some fantastic years in NY), Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Canó just to name a few all-stars and even some potential Hall of Famers.

I would also like to comment on the "knowledge" of baseball. I live baseball, Easton. I can also comment on 90% of the teams in the majors right now, due to my obsessive following of the sport. I can't comment on the Blue Jays, Orioles, or Mariners due to my not caring about those squads. With the other squads, I can comment on them with a great deal of confidence. I have been watching MLB since you were a thought in your parents' eyes, so tread lightly when you tell me "I know nothing about a team's history." Any fool can go to a team's site and spout off stats. I am not impressed by that!

How long you've been watching baseball is irrelevant. And don't accuse me of "going to a teams site". Why would I waste my time on seaching through websites. It's common knowledge I've learned from people, Tv, books, and whatnot from my time watching the sport I love.

I would also like to add that I can see your bias in posting by your blind love of the Phillies. On page 100, you make up creative names for a few Mets' players. Johan Santana is overrated? Please explain that. I would like to know how you would explain that since Johan pitched in the AL, where the lineups are deeper and more lethal than they are in the NL. Santana is a stud and will be for years. Also, what else would you like Jose Reyes to do to impress you? The guy does everything you could want from a player. Look at the guys stats and will explain everything. Yes, Rollins is fantastic, but to knock a guy because he is on a rival's team is clearly idiotic. Have some logic in your postings, amigo!

Some advice, don't take every post so serious.

Don't start with the AL BS too. First let's breakdown the AL central:

Royals: Lmao, that's all I'm going to say.
Tigers: Tigers were pretty dang terrible until two years ago.
Indians: Consistent team nearly every year. They have some incredible hitters but yet someone who is worth $150 mil should be able to easily handle them.
White Sox: They did have two or so decent years including a world series. The past two years they haven't been a par team.

Now the NL East:
Phillies: Best line-up in baseball. Most runs, RBI, OBP, and very high up in walks in the MLB. This is the most lethal, dangerous, and deep line-up in the majors.
Braves: They may have lost Jones and Reteria, but they still have guys like Texria, Chipper, McCan, Francour and have gotten a very reliable OF in Kotsay.
Marlins: They Marlins DO have good batters. Willingham, Ramirez, Uggla, and Jacobs and all good batters.
Nats: Ryan Zimmerman is a beast, Dimitri Young is dangerous, and Nick Johnson has returned at 100% this year. This team can also fell "rejuvenated" with their new stadium.

Overall the AL does have better line-ups, but division wise the NL East is better than the AL Central. They are many good line-ups in both leagues so to think Santana is going to do better just because he's going into the NL is wrong considering he's going into the 2nd toughest division in MLB.

You know why I knock Jose Reyes? Because he's whines and moans and doesn't play until the final out. I remember when the Mets were in their downfall Reyes thought it would be a good idea to call out fellow players and his manager instead of trying to unify his team. I've also watched many games where he would give up in the 5th inning. I remember he hit and ground ball and just walked to the dugout. He didn't even attempt to run to 1st and the funny thing is Wes Helms muffed the ball. Reyes need an attitude check before he gains my respect, that simple.

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Reyes is one of the best players in baseball. He doesn't need to change anything. Attitude? Name one player who at one point in his career didn't have issues with that. Pedro, if anyone recalls, did nothing but head hunt while on the mound in the early going. He turned out just fine. Reyes will too. End of story.