Socom 4 wishlist (no flaming)

[-frosting-]

Originally Posted by EAsTon

1) people cannot prone because it makes them have good accuracy when camping. Along with prone snipers camping in the back of their spawns.

2) People can't stay in a place where others can't see them on the opposing team for more than 10 seconds or they get booted, I.E the behind the pillar in the donut room, on the citadel roof, and the outside area of crucible.

3) Ban all campers.

Come dude, I think your being a little Ridiculous. I mean come one, let get real man. People camp, it's a fact of like, people camp, people will always camp. I understand your point when its 5 v 1 and the last person is camping and not even trying to win the game, or 5 v 1 and the last person on the team has the bomb and camps with it and the round ends in a tie. Zipper needs to think of a better way to make a team win in a demo if they have more people alive. But the complaining about people campig for more then 10 seconds is seriously probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a while, and believe me, I know a lot of stupid people.

Why won't we just say, lets ban all people who get kills without the other person seeing them, because obviously they were camping. Or anyone who doesn't shoot there weapon for more then 5 seconds should be banned because obviously they were camping. I like to run and gun, which I can obviously see you do, however I LOVE to snipe, and if you don't like it, well thats just to Fing bad, deal with it, or get the F out, it's your option. I don't wanna sound like a jack *** here, but I can't stand it when people ***** about camping. How about I hate people who us MK's and press R1 for 10 minutes straight without having to reload spinning around in circles hoping to get a kill. I think they should ban all people who use a better weapon than me, or uses a better tactic then me. Anyone who is better then me, or anyone who kills me should be banned.

Sounds stupid huh? If you don't like snipers, use smoke, or grenades if you can get them there. Lets stop the complaining, from all sides, and jsut play the game. Theres always the abort option if you don't like the way the room is being played. But to complain about camping, is pretty damn noobish, whether your a nood or not.

[Sgt-Miller]

Personally, I love campers. On the maps I frequent most, I know 90% of the time where they hang out (especially on Devil's Road...lol).

Some maps it can be frustrating, because grenades can't reach certain spots.

There are ways to coax a camper out of his/her spot. Sometimes they think an easy kill is in front of them, then when they move "DING!!!!!" right in the noggin.

People can play however they want, because I'll just figure out new ways to try and counteract that.

P.S. Easton, you missed a really good Devil's Road game earlier today. Tons of campers, but they all camped in the "butt-crack". I managed to score a grand total of 40 kills and 9 deaths befoer the game locked up, and kicked me out.

[Kmullins05]

It's good to see a few posts but i must comment and agree with the guy above me.

Why complain about "camping". Does it bother you because these persons play with intelligence rather then running like crazed maniacs with their fingers dedicated to the R1 button? Does it bother you because you weren't instilled with the patience to wait for a kill to come to you?

Let me ask you this question...Why do you care? The person who is "camping" bought their game, and their system, and using their power supply to run the darn thing, so stop caring. Personally i think the "run around until you die" idea is ignorant and boring.

This is just my theory, you and agree or disagree.......
Socom is the nickname for a elite group of Navy Seals, which incase you don't know, is a pretty elite group in itself. These people do not just run around a battlefied with guns blazing and hoping to do the salsa dance to dodge bullets. These soldiers don't jump in the air and shimmy left and right like Kobe Bryant in the lane in order to stay alive. These soldiers plan out their attack and execute it with patience and vigilance. THE GAME IS STAMPED WITH U.S. NAVY SEALS, its a military game. The military game does not conduct itself with randomness. If you want to run around and shoot and be crazy, play halo, or perfect dark, or a game in that nature.

Most importantly, don't criticize individuals who choose to use their brain a little bit when conducting in the game. I run and gun, and i camp...depends on the situation, depends on the map. But seriously, saying "ban camping" is rather immature and breathes of ignorance and jealousy.

One more idea for people....

MULTIPLE MISSION MULTIPLAYER
example
Seals: Plant satchel at terrorist base
-extract vips from hostage house
-eliminate terrorist threat
-disarm missle silo

Terrorists: Protect territory
-Maintain VIPS
-Destory Seal Convoy
-eliminate inbound Seals

These scenarios would provide oppurtunities for fun, objective filled games and essentially eliminate random running and gunning as well as pointless camping. It would force each team to involve teamwork, coordination, and skill. Each team member would play an important role in winning the game.
These games would have 7 or 8 minute timers, but less rounds...make it best of 7.

[EAsTon]

Originally Posted by Kmullins05

It's good to see a few posts but i must comment and agree with the guy above me.

Why complain about "camping". Does it bother you because these persons play with intelligence rather then running like crazed maniacs with their fingers dedicated to the R1 button? Does it bother you because you weren't instilled with the patience to wait for a kill to come to you?

You can avoid camping without rushing. Just because I hate camping doesn't mean I rush the heck out of people every game. You can take your time through maps. Like Devils road as a terrorist, You first jump to the brick wall, then to the rock in front of the lake, the to the little rock, and arcoss the or up the mountain. It's worked almost every time for me.

Let me ask you this question...Why do you care? The person who is "camping" bought their game, and their system, and using their power supply to run the darn thing, so stop caring. Personally i think the "run around until you die" idea is ignorant and boring.

Don't start with the "they paid for this and that". Everyone paid for this game. The reason I care is that I don't want to play one map (except the medleys) for a half hour. I just don't understand who anyone can sit in one spot for 10 minutes straight and think their good.

This is just my theory, you and agree or disagree.......
Socom is the nickname for a elite group of Navy Seals, which incase you don't know, is a pretty elite group in itself. These people do not just run around a battlefied with guns blazing and hoping to do the salsa dance to dodge bullets. These soldiers don't jump in the air and shimmy left and right like Kobe Bryant in the lane in order to stay alive. These soldiers plan out their attack and execute it with patience and vigilance. THE GAME IS STAMPED WITH U.S. NAVY SEALS, its a military game. The military game does not conduct itself with randomness. If you want to run around and shoot and be crazy, play halo, or perfect dark, or a game in that nature.

In case you didn't know almost every single player in S1 and S2 blazed their guns and rushed every round and had tons of fun and is I remember right those games were called Socom too. Real military groups also rush. In D-day we rushed the heck out of Normandy Beach. In Desert Storm we rushed into Kuwait and Iraq. U.S Seals don't go into hostile areas and kill one ememy and say "lets go back and camp so we can complete our mission".

Most importantly, don't criticize individuals who choose to use their brain a little bit when conducting in the game. I run and gun, and i camp...depends on the situation, depends on the map. But seriously, saying "ban camping" is rather immature and breathes of ignorance and jealousy.

Immature becasue I want something in a game? I guess people wanting 3 attachments on a gun is immature too. I'm also really jealous because I don't want people to sit in their spawn for a whole game doing nothing.

-P.s. I am not flaming anyone in any way, shape, or form. I am just arguing my point and others have the right to argue theirs.

[oxfordfreestyl]

Originally Posted by EAsTon

I just don't understand who anyone can sit in one spot for 10 minutes straight and think their good.

This is the EXACT reason why it pisses me off to play against cheaters and campers. It doesn't make you GOOD AT ALL to be able to watch a 3 foot wide door (seal spawn KF small) with a ****ing sniper rifle. People are so stupid and ignorant and call that strategy, when in reality its them being scared that they might have to be in a fair gunfight for once.

[{DSA}THeDRiZZLe74]

Originally Posted by oxfordfreestyl

This is the EXACT reason why it pisses me off to play against cheaters and campers. It doesn't make you GOOD AT ALL to be able to watch a 3 foot wide door (seal spawn KF small) with a ****ing sniper rifle. People are so stupid and ignorant and call that strategy, when in reality its them being scared that they might have to be in a fair gunfight for once.

If the SEALs hide in their spawn I will snipe the door, it's better than spawn camping IMO. Fact is, when you snipe that door there are only a few places you can be, and if the SEAL's are too dumb to figure out where you are and take you out, that's life, it sucks, buy a helmut! The heavy sniper rifles give off enough flash to where you shouldn't be able to snipe the door long without someone taking you out. People cry about people sniping the door and I just don't get it, if someone is sniping the door like a punk just get your team organized and take him out. When I'm a SEAL and someone is sniping that door, I look at it as an easy kill since I know they have to be in just a few places.

[SoCoM tHuG]

Originally Posted by Kmullins05

*THE OFFICIAL SOCOM 4 WISHLIST THREAD*
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4. Keep weapon attachments and equipment weight but refine it. Once you use mines, you shouldn't feel the weight of them. I like the idea of attachments but there should be more to choose from. i.e. flashlights and the such.

I agree fully with this one. i think that there should be some really dark levels and you would only be able to see with flashlights. plus that could heighten the suspension, seeing a bunch of flashlights come around a corner. kinda like how it is on splinter cell online.

[-frosting-]

Easton, I"m not going to lie, I have disagreed with everything you've said on this thread. Your opinions are wrong, "in my opinion". But thats the great thing about this country and this forum, many people with manny different opinions, whether they are right or wrong. However, I agree, I just don't understand why the hell you care about what tactics people use. Worry about yourself, I'm sure your life is to hectic and eventful to worry about how other people play a video game, (lol), and it is probably a waste of valuable time. And yes, I am going to pull out, the fact that i paid for the game and all of that BS. I know you wouldn't want some random person who doesn't like camping to tell you how to play that game. Or someone who doesn't like running and gunning to tell you to quit because it's gay. If I wanna camp i'll camp, and thats that, end of story. Unless you'd like to pay my internet bill, I'd be happy to be your little socom slave, and I'd love to hear your orders on how to play socom according you your liking. That being said, I like to run and gun, and I like to snipe, it all depends on the map, and the situation.

Personally, if you wanna camp, or if you wanna run around like a chicken with your head cut off pressing R1 having no sense of whats going on around you (yeah I am being sarcastic), then thats your business. How I wanna play the game is mine. If I may say so, I don't recall any "Navy Seals" storming the beaches of normandy, or any other sort of invasion, so that agrument is ignorant. However, special forces were key in the success of DDay, but again, it was using the tactics of a tipical NAVY SEAL unit. Like someone else said, if you don't like how the game is played, then don't f'ing play it man, quit wasting your time, and save yourself the agravation. If you like to run around like a mad man killing people then play halo, that game is perfect for you.

Thats why I just don't understand why you care, you can always just leave the game, or just stop playing it. But the fact that people complaing about "camping", in a F'ing NAVY SEAL video game, just absolutely blows my mind. I new some americans, well human being for that matter, were just plain ignorant, but come on dude. If it were Halo, or a WW2 game based on Normandy or some other HUGE invasion on a global scale, that I could understand your logic. Camping is as a big part of socom as running and gunning is, and it will always be that way. And I don't know what your talking about, but I know just as many campers in S2 as I do in S3 and CA. You are right, there are a lot more campers, according to your theory of camping in CA, but proportionitly, it's about the same. I can't speak for S1 because I never played it online. Now when I say campers I'm using it in your terms, anyone who sits in one spot for .000000000000000001 seconds is a camper, according to you. If you like to run around with your eyes closed pressing R1 in a mad panic (again, being sarcastic), thats your business, I could care less how you wanna play.

Like I said before, camping, in some situations, can be very very annoying and pisses me off to no end. However, in your theory of camping, anyone who snipes is a camper, because there sitting in one spot for more then 10 seconds. So ya, lets take the more popular part of socom out of the equation, YA thats a good idea, lets loose about 50% are fan base, ya thats it. Lets all just play the game, and seriously, QUIT F'ing complaing about how peope play, again, if you don't like camping, well your going to be a very PO'd person. How you play Socom while at the same time hating campers, is beyond me. LOL, personally, I would have quit a long time ago, but again, thats just me. I respect your opinions and your tactics, because I have to face them while playing against you. However I don't, and will never complain about the specific tactics you choose. It's your game, you play it how you wanna play it.

[{DSA}THeDRiZZLe74]

Originally Posted by SoCoM tHuG

I agree fully with this one. i think that there should be some really dark levels and you would only be able to see with flashlights. plus that could heighten the suspension, seeing a bunch of flashlights come around a corner. kinda like how it is on splinter cell online.

Honestly, I hate most night maps with the exception of small Copperhead, but this sounds sweet!

[naturalkiller]

Originally Posted by -Codester1023-

Easton isn't being a crybaby. I believe you are. And, like Easton said, if you've played any of the other socoms you would know why we are frustrated with campers, soft spotters, and all the other ***** "tactics" you "tactical" players use.



Good job! You're mature. Typical response from a 12 year old kid: "If you can't do this you're gay."

I'm assuming you can't read seeing how Easton wasn't being a crybaby in any way and how you flamed him even when in Kmullin's thread title it says (No Flaming).



^^ Best wish ever.

a crybaby defending another crybaby hilarious