Silencers

[Jimdalf]

sorry to have annoyed you... I have no idea why I said that anyway... on another note, the brits don't silence/suppress guns at all... we moderate them :)

I don't think the M16A2 is easy to silence, I suspect I heard somewhere that before the M4 entered the US army's armoury, they used old M16s (with a 32 round clip and much more reliable than the old Nam version, but still fully auto)

The one thing that is annoying me is that an M16A2+M203 can be silenced(only the actual gun though, not the GL)

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Originally Posted by CerealKillerz

Yeah I don't know why you said they don't' suppress them.

Are you referring to my post??? If so, we don't say suppressed or silenced, we moderate the sound... it is exactly the same thing, just our word for it is different

And Spike, I meant it would be even in that a complete rookie SEAL cannot wipe out a team of seasoned vets who are stuck with far inferior weapons... but yes, due to the balance of the maps, the SEALs will probably still have an advantage guns wise, but hopefully it won't be huge

[Mr~Pan]

Originally Posted by Jimdalf

The effect of a suppressor is that it slows the bullet down so as there is no crack when it goes supersonis, reducing velocity, penetration and in most cases damage

Thats way off

"The silencer does slow down the bullet but that is not what makes it more silenced. To fire a bullet from a gun, gunpowder is ignited behind the bullet. The gunpowder creates a high-pressure pulse of hot gas. The pressure of the gas forces the bullet down the barrel of the gun. When the bullet exits the end of the barrel, it is like uncorking a bottle. The pressure behind the bullet is immense, however -- on the order of 3,000 pounds per square inch (psi) -- so the POP that the gun makes as it is uncorked is extremely loud.

A silencer screws on to the end of the barrel and has a huge volume compared to the barrel (20 or 30 times greater). With the silencer in place, the pressurized gas behind the bullet has a big space to expand into. So the pressure of the hot gas falls significantly. When the bullet finally exits through the hole in the silencer, the pressure being uncorked is much, much lower -- perhaps 60 psi. Therefore, the sound of the gun firing is much softer." HSW

and of course silencer add more accuracy to the bullet because it has a longer barrel to travel through to set it on a much more straight path.

[tifer2156]

Originally Posted by Mithrandir

correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not an M16-sd in Conflict Desert Storm 2? it's kinda dumb of me to base my argument on a game, but I have seen silenced M-16s in alot of games, so why not this one?

I've never played the game you are referring to. My argument is that the gun is not deisgned to be used with a silencer. There is a long post in the regular forum for S3 where another member, a former US Marine, was educating people on the silencer issue. An m16 is not designed to be used with a silencer, hence the M4. At the same time an m14 is not meant to be used with a silencer either. My point is, I don't want a video game to "makeup" weapon combinations that are not readily available to the US armed forces, when the point of the game is to be as realistic as possible. I don't care what kind of guns are in other games, SOCOM should not be based on what is done in other games, it is it's own entity.

[Jimdalf]

Originally Posted by Mr~Pan

Thats way off

removing PSI reduces force (thus penetration) and velocity

Go sit outside your nearest military airbase, and listen as the jets take off... there will be a loud bang when the jet goes supersonic... over Kuwait city in '03 they constantly had alarms because of pilots going supersonic over the city, instead of after passing over

And the ignition of the propellant isn't the only sound from a gun firing

[tifer2156]

Maybe they should just not release Socom 3 and we can all switch to Halo 2, god knows they bent the rules of gravity in that game. I just don't see why, with Zipper going through all the trouble of making such a great game (the voice commands, all the different actions the CPU players do, realisitic gun sounds, stealth factors, etc), that they would now just throw in all types of weapon combinations that aren't readily available to soldiers in the US or even the world. They shouldn't name it US Navy SEALs, it should should be some made up country and some BS special unit if they want to start "making things up".

[EMPTY~CLIPS]

Originally Posted by tifer2156

Maybe they should just not release Socom 3 and we can all switch to Halo 2, god knows they bent the rules of gravity in that game. I just don't see why, with Zipper going through all the trouble of making such a great game (the voice commands, all the different actions the CPU players do, realisitic gun sounds, stealth factors, etc), that they would now just throw in all types of weapon combinations that aren't readily available to soldiers in the US or even the world. They shouldn't name it US Navy SEALs, it should should be some made up country and some BS special unit if they want to start "making things up".

dude i have seen a silenced m16 any gun that does not have too big of a calaber can be silenced..hell i have seen f90s silenced hk5k silenced but if they made the m82 silenced (but i know they will not) then i see your point stop crying over stupid <censored> .......GOSH

[LIQUID167]

Originally Posted by Jimdalf

The effect of a suppressor is that it slows the bullet down so as there is no crack when it goes supersonis, reducing velocity, penetration and in most cases damage

I was in SF, with a suppressor it may slow the bullet down a little. It doesnt cover the crack of a bullet. It just covers the muzzle flash, and when the bullet leaves the barrel it covers the sound. With pistols its different they are subsonic they dont really reach speed of sound.

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

No jackass, it does reduce the velocity ALOT, or else every soldier would have one...

There are many sounds when a gun fires, but the two biggest are: The propellant exploding thus sending the bullet hurtling on it's way and the subsequent crack as it goes past the speed of sound... the suppressor eliminates this sound to the best of it's abilities, but cannot get rid of it wholly, so stop calling it a silencer

Suppresors cover the sound and flash not the crack it only slows down the bullet a little unless its a pistol then it does preety silence it all you hear is the slide going back & forth making a "click" sound.

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Originally Posted by CrAnK66

Wow i remeber why i stoped posting things on here...CAUSE OF IDOITS LIKE THIS. I would love if people would stop being stupid for 2 seconds. In a few articles that i have read they (Zipper) have said they wont have any huge one sided guns like the IWs. Also, there are a few of you that think the that u can put a "silencer" on every gun. Somebody asked about a M3 silencer. NO U IDIOT! When u pick your gun it is going to be one of those things that after u put the "silencer" on it will lower the power of your gun. NOT EVERYONE WILL <censored> USE IT. I don't know why, but people that have no idea about what they are talking about piss me off. I think that half of the people that type anything on this thread are just trying to sound smart adn actually have no idea what they are saying.

You cant Put a suppresor on a Barrett[M-82] if u tried when the bullet leaves the barrel it will ripped the lining straight off.

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Originally Posted by skullsplitter

LOl,m60,or d50 need to be prepared/threaded,BEFORE you can puta suppresor on it.
also if you put a suppresor on a m60 and start to fire for longerr time say BYE BYE to the supressor ,it will overheat,also a SUPPRESOR and a MUZZLE BREAK are two DIFFERENT thing's.
and for the part of a silenced GRENADE launcher,LOLOLOLOLOL a SILENCED GRENADE launcher?? youre so freakin funny dude

Yes as in real life you need to replace silencers in a while they disipate over time... Meaning the lining gets thinner and thinner until its just not able to use any more. Also with the m-60 You can mel a barrel in one belt it gets very hot is very heavy then you have to replace the barrel thats why they use the m-249 SAW.

Stop double posting. If you want to add something, use the edit button. -Sno

Actually, that was a quadruple post. I combined the last 3 but didn't get around to leaving a message yet. I was cleaning up the rest of this thread. - c0mm

[GordyPal]

Can someone please talk ABOUT SOCOM. I know some of you want to impress with your encyclopedic knowlege of all things nerd, but pleas.It doesn't matter what videos you've seen, or what your read, or whos friend said this or that. Can A BETA TESTER PLEASE ANSWER IN REGARDS TO SOCOM III: HOW DO SILENCERS EFFECT SOCOM III. And if you're able please tell us on which guns they are available. Generalities are okay, ie "on some sniper rifles", "on all SMGs".

[Jimdalf]

Oh... I done ****ed up now...

Here is the problem... we are all talking about slightly different things... so far I am pretty sure most of you guys who are posting stuff that proves me wrong are right... about an M4A1... but i have been talking about the AI L96 with a supressor... that is the only one I have ever fired, and the properties of the silencer on different kinds of gun are quite different... sorry for any confusion

[SocomWasHere]

wow this forum is crazy everyone is getting way outa hand take deep breathes and read b4 you write

(dr.Phil at your service)