Toughest Sport

Scuba Steve · 02-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

Jonah Lomu, the 267 lb guy, could do 100m in less than 11 seconds at the height of his career. He was exceptional, but then so are huge hockey players who can actually play the game beyond thug level. I highly doubt that hockey players can do 100 metres in less than 3 seconds on the ice, so really they ain't going 5 times as fast at all.

Just because one player can do something, doesn't mean every player can of that sport.

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

What makes Rugby the toughest sport isn't the probability of getting hit very hard, its the certainty of getting tackled multiple times in every game. You get the ball, you move forward until an opposing player is half a second away, you offload the ball and hope the tackle ain't too hard as you have no lower body protection at all. A rugby player goes through more painful contact in one match than a hockey player goes through in a season.

Your last sentence is pure ignorance. Try playing hockey before stating made up facts. If you think hockey is that less physical than rugby, you have a lot to learn.

.writer · 02-29-2008

I think;

You all should just shut the **** up about it now. There is no "official" toughest sport, and there is no way to found out because everything is based off of opinions.

There are guys in the NHL that would lay some NFL players out, there are some guys in the NFL that would lay some NHL players out and so on. No one sport is tougher than any other, some PLAYERS are tougher, but that doesn't mean the game as a whole is tougher.

People think what they think and you can't change it. Shut the **** up now please. :smile:

And Scuba, why is it that everytime you and Jim post in the same thread, you 2 have it out? lol

KillerSwat · 02-29-2008

Hockey hands down I think... They are going so fast..... the hits must kill. the fights are good. plus sometimes people manage to get their necks slit.

Scuba Steve · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by E. Writer

I think;

You all should just shut the **** up about it now. There is no "official" toughest sport, and there is no way to found out because everything is based off of opinions.

There are guys in the NHL that would lay some NFL players out, there are some guys in the NFL that would lay some NHL players out and so on. No one sport is tougher than any other, some PLAYERS are tougher, but that doesn't mean the game as a whole is tougher.

People think what they think and you can't change it. Shut the **** up now please. :smile:

And Scuba, why is it that everytime you and Jim post in the same thread, you 2 have it out? lol

Poor Writer... I think he's sad because football is doing terrible in the poll.

Of course there is no official toughest sport, which is why there's a thread for us to debate about it.

discombobulate · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

What makes Rugby the toughest sport isn't the probability of getting hit very hard, its the certainty of getting tackled multiple times in every game. You get the ball, you move forward until an opposing player is half a second away, you offload the ball and hope the tackle ain't too hard as you have no lower body protection at all. A rugby player goes through more painful contact in one match than a hockey player goes through in a season.

In hockey you move just as much, and do the same thing. You're trying to get the puck down to the goal. You're getting hit plenty, and, like I said earlier, the speed is the big difference. You get hit in Rugby constantly, but in hockey you get completely laid out. Open ice hits in hockey are something anyone can appreciate a complete fear of, and the same does go for Rugby. But as far as I've seen, it happens a lot more in hockey, like you said Jim, you move half a second before there's another player around you in Rugby. In hockey, it's ten guys on the ice, there's open ice all the time.

Oh, and there's the same certainty of getting hit multiple times in a game.

Scuba Steve · 03-02-2008

I just watched a few videos of rugby hits to try and see the brutality in it and I simply can't. Most hits are of one player simply picking the other up and dropping him. There were none that made me cringe.

I then watched a random video of hockey hits and felt the complete opposite. I suggest the rest of you do the same.

Most hockey hits videos are old, so they don't have some of the recent huge hits in them, but if you'd like to see some people getting destroyed in recent years, I'd be happy to post videos.

By the way, here's a few hits that aren't in most hockey hit mix videos.

Yeah, I don't think the pads helped... do you?

Jimdalf · 03-02-2008

Of course there aren't extremely brutal videos of rugby on the internet, its a game played in Europe, Africa and the area around Australia (can't remember the name of the whole area... Oceana, Australasia, or something else? Anyway it includes the south sea islands like Samoa and Fiji as well as New Zealand) and the fans simply don't look forward to seeing men get seriously hurt and so there aren't many videos. I'm not saying North Americans are just bloodthirsty but, well, look at Nascar. The only thing that can possibly be entertaining about that are the crashes, and its pretty popular in the southern states.

I did say that Lomu was exceptional, but really most players aren't that far behind these days.

The way I would define the toughest game is how far the game goes physically within its own rules. Of those three hockey hits two instantly halted play... in Rugby if you still have the ball when tackled a ruck develops right on top of you, which is no fun at all. Rugby is two forty minutes halves with 10 minutes rest at half time, Hockey is only an hour's game time with over half an hour to recover during the match. The physical condition of the players figures a lot more than padding does towards the end of the match when it comes to tackles. And the simple truth of tackles is that they happen hundreds of time per match in rugby so the tackler is pretty damned good at it- they don't all break bones. But the central back, the guy who does the most running with the ball, will get hit around a dozen times per match and multiple impacts in the same area of the body do a lot of damage sometimes.

Getting knocked down is pretty much the only way of losing the ball, whereas a decent hockey player can get the puck without touching the other guy. So rugby is the tougher sport overall.

As to me and Steve arguing a lot... I suppose we are just mutually misguided.

Scuba Steve · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

Of course there aren't extremely brutal videos of rugby on the internet, its a game played in Europe, Africa and the area around Australia (can't remember the name of the whole area... Oceana, Australasia, or something else? Anyway it includes the south sea islands like Samoa and Fiji as well as New Zealand) and the fans simply don't look forward to seeing men get seriously hurt and so there aren't many videos. I'm not saying North Americans are just bloodthirsty but, well, look at Nascar. The only thing that can possibly be entertaining about that are the crashes, and its pretty popular in the southern states.

This is simply not true. If there were all out brutal rugby hits, they would be on the internet. Plain and simple. Your opinion of Nascar is just that, an opinion.

As I said, if brutal rugby hits existed, they would be on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

I did say that Lomu was exceptional, but really most players aren't that far behind these days.

Imagine him traveling much faster on ICE with BOARDS around the rink. Now, imagine him flying into someone... MUCH tougher than rugby.

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

The way I would define the toughest game is how far the game goes physically within its own rules. Of those three hockey hits two instantly halted play... in Rugby if you still have the ball when tackled a ruck develops right on top of you, which is no fun at all. Rugby is two forty minutes halves with 10 minutes rest at half time, Hockey is only an hour's game time with over half an hour to recover during the match. The physical condition of the players figures a lot more than padding does towards the end of the match when it comes to tackles. And the simple truth of tackles is that they happen hundreds of time per match in rugby so the tackler is pretty damned good at it- they don't all break bones. But the central back, the guy who does the most running with the ball, will get hit around a dozen times per match and multiple impacts in the same area of the body do a lot of damage sometimes.

Play was stopped because teammates of the hit player stood up for him. Did you notice that when play "stopped" they were fighting? How does that make it not as tough?

Players get 20 minutes of total break time in hockey, not over 30. I'm surprised they don't, though, as it takes much more out of you than rugby. In hockey, you're constantly moving at full speed. In rugby, it's similar to soccer.

Even if there was more contact in rugby, the hits are still not on any level as hockey is.

I posted three hits from recent games, I can find plenty more. However, no rugby videos exist. Why? The hits just aren't that big.

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Originally Posted by Jimdalf

Getting knocked down is pretty much the only way of losing the ball, whereas a decent hockey player can get the puck without touching the other guy. So rugby is the tougher sport overall.

You could easily pass the ball and lose it. Getting hit is not the only way of losing the ball.

Rugby is not the tougher sport. The hits simply do not and cannot compare to the brutality of those in hockey.

Judge-Jimmie · 03-02-2008

I completely agree with what everyone has said about hockey being the toughest. I play goalie for my high school team and I got a concussion playing goalie cause of kids crashing the net. My teammates broke 2 bones this year during the season. Hockey is grueling.

-paT_BiZzL3- · 03-07-2008

Like Writer said.

People are going to have different opinions on what the toughest sport is. This poll is based solely on opinions and nothing else. One person will think that Hockey is the toughest, the next person will think Football. Doesn't make it true.

I think Hockey is really intense and tough. Just got back from a semi-pro game and was right on the ice. Players were being smashed up against the glass like they were nothing, got to respect those SOB's.