Toughest Sport

[_NIGHTBRINGER_]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

Let me get this straight. You're saying two cars traveling at 20 miles an hour has the same impact as two cars traveling at 50?

Hockey hits are much more brutal. Have you even been to an ice rink? The boards and ice are hard as concrete, not soft grass.

I never said football hits weren't tough, just not nearly as tough as hockey hits.

Grass is by no means soft, yeah the grass itself might be, but the ground under isn't.


The Boards and glass are not as hard as concrete. Ice, yes, the rest, no. In hockey, maybe a few guys get hit during a game, not that much. In football, 22 guys are either hit or wrestling another guy in a block, every-single-down.


Football is also alot more draining, running, as said before, is a LOAAAAD more draining than ice skating.

The "Weakest" position players, such as DB, CB, etc. a position that doesn't require loads of upper bodiestrenght, can 90% of the time bench 225 10+ times. These are ROOKIES.

Don't get me started on what some of the veteran offensive and defensive lineman can do.

In hockey, after the initial hit is over, nothing else.

Football, alot of the time, especially in a "Wrap up" tackle, you have the play falling on you. When getting trucked, your taking a helmet to the ribs/stomach/chest.

Football's toughness, as I said before, is underrated.

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

Grass is by no means soft, yeah the grass itself might be, but the ground under isn't.


The Boards and glass are not as hard as concrete. Ice, yes, the rest, no. In hockey, maybe a few guys get hit during a game, not that much. In football, 22 guys are either hit or wrestling another guy in a block, every-single-down.


Football is also alot more draining, running, as said before, is a LOAAAAD more draining than ice skating.

The "Weakest" position players, such as DB, CB, etc. a position that doesn't require loads of upper bodiestrenght, can 90% of the time bench 225 10+ times. These are ROOKIES.

Don't get me started on what some of the veteran offensive and defensive lineman can do.

In hockey, after the initial hit is over, nothing else.

Football, alot of the time, especially in a "Wrap up" tackle, you have the play falling on you. When getting trucked, your taking a helmet to the ribs/stomach/chest.

Football's toughness, as I said before, is underrated.

Grass is a lot softer than ice and boards.

Have you even been to an ice rink? Touch the boards. They don't give.

Football players are not hitting every single down. You have fat guys pushing each other. The amount of tackles in a game cannot even get near a hit in hockey.

A few hits in one game? I might as well stop reading your post, as you know nothing about hockey. Absolutely nothing.

Football is more draining? Did I just read this? You have a play for seven seconds, then a 45 second break. Every single play. Not to mention you have specific players for offense and defense. Those players don't even play the entire game. Then, you have special teams. I won't mention you only play 16 games a season.

Bench pressing? Who cares about bench pressing? That means absolutely nothing. They can lift weights, it's a shame they can't throw a hit.

If a big hit is given in hockey, the checked player is more than likely in a lot of pain. Then, the teammates of the player who got hit want revenge, usually instigating a fight.

Please, stop telling me how hockey is played when you don't know anything about it. I don't mind having a friendly debate, but don't claim to know things when you clearly do not.

[_NIGHTBRINGER_]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

Grass is a lot softer than ice and boards.

Have you even been to an ice rink? Touch the boards. They don't give.

Football players are not hitting every single down. You have fat guys pushing each other. The amount of tackles in a game cannot even get near a hit in hockey.

A few hits in one game? I might as well stop reading your post, as you know nothing about hockey. Absolutely nothing.

Football is more draining? Did I just read this? You have a play for seven seconds, then a 45 second break. Every single play. Not to mention you have specific players for offense and defense. Those players don't even play the entire game. Then, you have special teams. I won't mention you only play 16 games a season.

Bench pressing? Who cares about bench pressing? That means absolutely nothing. They can lift weights, it's a shame they can't throw a hit.

If a big hit is given in hockey, the checked player is more than likely in a lot of pain. Then, the teammates of the player who got hit want revenge, usually instigating a fight.

Please, stop telling me how hockey is played when you don't know anything about it. I don't mind having a friendly debate, but don't claim to know things when you clearly do not.

1.I never said grass was harder, I said grass was by no means soft, stop assuming things. And yes, I have been to an ice rink many, many, many times.

2.You apparently don't know jack %$^& about football if your going to say thats all it is.

3.Hits in football is more of a "norm" than in hockey.

4.Hockey players play in VERY short intervals also, seriously, have you ever been on an organized football team? Try telling me it isn't tiring. As I said before, a statement like that shows you know nothing about football.

5. Football players can't throw a hit? Are you borderline retarded or are you trying to make a fool of yourself?

6.Bench pressing was reference to strength.. about the whole fat guy pushing eachother comment...when you have two 300lb guys who can bench 225lbs nearly 40 times, wrestling and fighting eachother to get across the other, it is verryy draining, and at times, you must block/get through two linemen, not one. These lines are also called the trenches, the name is self explanitory, its gritty, its painful, its dirty.

7. If a player gets tackled in football, no matter how hard or soft the tackle may be, its going to heart to some extent. A player who endures a "big hit" in football, is also, in alot of plain. No if ands or buts, they're in pain.

8.to your last comment, you should do the same.

[Magnum Force]

Scuba, the boards of ice hockey rinks have give to them. It's a regulation for safety. The boards on the rinks I play on don't have any give because it's roller hockey and there isn't any checking allowed.

And hockey players lift weights as well. It's called "training."

[_NIGHTBRINGER_]

Originally Posted by Magnum Force

Scuba, the boards of ice hockey rinks have give to them. It's a regulation for safety. The boards on the rinks I play on don't have any give because it's roller hockey and there isn't any checking allowed.

And hockey players lift weights as well. It's called "training."

Of course they do, I wasn't trying to imply they didn't, I was just bringing up the lifting thing to make a point. I don't know how much hockey players lift so I won't make a comment towards them, but

For a rookie linemen in football, 10-13 reps of 225lbs is considered low.

They have some pretty high standards.

[Mr~Pan]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

You are supposed to tackle the player, not hit them, meaing it is rare for a big hit. Hockey doesn't have tackles, although that would be quite amusing.

Do you watch football? I run this way ----> you run this way <----- there is going to be a big hit everytime.

[pvtsnowball]

I was just at a hockey game the other night, and every time they got slammed into the glass the whole thing shook, meaning there IS give to it. I don't see a lot, if any, hockey players pulled off the ice for injury, while on the other hand football players get hit so hard they can go into a concussion, break bones, sprain, so on and so forth. Each tackle in football is like being hit by a freight train, not only are the guys 300+ pounds but they're wearing shoulder pads and hard helmets. You can't tell me being rammed in the stomach by a helmet doesn't hurt.

[BoyEngland]

I think one of the biggest dangers in rugby, aside from the obvious bumps and bruises, is getting an ear ripped off.

Until players got wise and started using headbands over their ears and eventually those soft head guards, ears were getting ripped off during scrums and hard tackles. I highly doubt that happens to anyone wearing a helmet.

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

1.I never said grass was harder, I said grass was by no means soft, stop assuming things. And yes, I have been to an ice rink many, many, many times.

Did I say you did? If anyone is assuming things, it's you. If you have been, you should know how tough the boards are.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

2.You apparently don't know jack %$^& about football if your going to say thats all it is.

That's all it is. There is contact most downs, but rarely do you see a large hit. Even half-assed hits in hockey are much more brutal than most football hits.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

3.Hits in football is more of a "norm" than in hockey.

If you could classify the contact in football as a hit. Big hits are very rare in football.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

4.Hockey players play in VERY short intervals also, seriously, have you ever been on an organized football team? Try telling me it isn't tiring. As I said before, a statement like that shows you know nothing about football.

Are you telling me they play in intervals shorter than footbal players? Football has a play for 15 seconds and that's exaggerating. After that, they have 45 seconds, in which most QBs wait to the very last seconds to hike the ball. In hockey, you are constantly moving, changing pace for about a minute or two. Sometimes, it's longer because you are not able to make a change. Football players play much less, too, as they have specific players for offense, defense and special teams. Playing football and the NFL is very different. I could say the same for you, but it's irrelevant.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

5. Football players can't throw a hit? Are you borderline retarded or are you trying to make a fool of yourself?

What the hell are you talking about? Do you really not read posts and just make up replys? Hockey players can hit with such more intensity than football players.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

6.Bench pressing was reference to strength.. about the whole fat guy pushing eachother comment...when you have two 300lb guys who can bench 225lbs nearly 40 times, wrestling and fighting eachother to get across the other, it is verryy draining, and at times, you must block/get through two linemen, not one. These lines are also called the trenches, the name is self explanitory, its gritty, its painful, its dirty.

Cool, they are pushing each other. It's basically sumo wrestiling, but with pads. Are you saying sumo wrestling is also the toughest sport? Have you ever heard of the "Dead Man's Zone" in hockey? Most likely not. Look into it and try to tell me the "trenches" are tougher.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

7. If a player gets tackled in football, no matter how hard or soft the tackle may be, its going to heart to some extent. A player who endures a "big hit" in football, is also, in alot of plain. No if ands or buts, they're in pain.

Umm, not really. Falling doesn't hurt, which is how many players are tackled. In comparison to hockey, a simple mistake that leads to a fall is potentially much more dangerous, as you are landing on ice.

8.to your last comment, you should do the same.[/quote]

Don't worry, I know plenty of football.

Originally Posted by Magnum Force

Scuba, the boards of ice hockey rinks have give to them. It's a regulation for safety. The boards on the rinks I play on don't have any give because it's roller hockey and there isn't any checking allowed.

And hockey players lift weights as well. It's called "training."

Next time you're at the Shark Tank, touch them and tell me it won't hurt getting smashed into them.

Originally Posted by _NIGHTBRINGER_

Of course they do, I wasn't trying to imply they didn't, I was just bringing up the lifting thing to make a point. I don't know how much hockey players lift so I won't make a comment towards them, but

For a rookie linemen in football, 10-13 reps of 225lbs is considered low.

They have some pretty high standards.

They're not the ones hitting anyone, so it doesn't matter. In hockey, anyone can (and will) hit. From the biggest to the smallest guys.

Originally Posted by Mr~Pan

Do you watch football? I run this way ----> you run this way <----- there is going to be a big hit everytime.

That's not how most players are hit, though. In hockey, a hit MUST come from an opposite direction, as tackling is not allowed.

Originally Posted by pvtsnowball

I was just at a hockey game the other night, and every time they got slammed into the glass the whole thing shook, meaning there IS give to it. I don't see a lot, if any, hockey players pulled off the ice for injury, while on the other hand football players get hit so hard they can go into a concussion, break bones, sprain, so on and so forth. Each tackle in football is like being hit by a freight train, not only are the guys 300+ pounds but they're wearing shoulder pads and hard helmets. You can't tell me being rammed in the stomach by a helmet doesn't hurt.

Did I just read this? The glass shakes, not the boards. Get hit against the boards and tell me what city you're in. Hockey players don't get injured? Care to support this? Players get injured because they were hit hard, tripped up going hard for a puck in the corner and went smashing into the boards, get hit with a puck or stick, or other various hits. In football, players mostly get injured from landing awkwardly, not from a big hit. Football players get concussions, sure, but are you saying hockey players don't?

A tackle is like a freight train hitting you? Are you joking? Most tackles are done while both players are moving in the same direction. There is virtually no impact. To hit someone in hockey, you MUST be moving in an opposite direction as them.

The fat players in football are not hitting anyone, they are pushing guys the same size as them. You can't legally headbutt anyone, but okay.

Show me a harder football hit, please.

Originally Posted by BoyEngland

I think one of the biggest dangers in rugby, aside from the obvious bumps and bruises, is getting an ear ripped off.

Until players got wise and started using headbands over their ears and eventually those soft head guards, ears were getting ripped off during scrums and hard tackles. I highly doubt that happens to anyone wearing a helmet.

Is that a common occassion? I've never heard of that but ouch. The helmets don't save everything, though. Pucks and sticks hit hockey players' faces all the time.

[Magnum Force]

Scuba, trying to hit the boards with your arm is much different than going at it full speed on skates with padding and another player along with you. I never said it wouldn't hurt. I said that the boards of hockey rinks have give to them, because you had said:

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

Have you even been to an ice rink? Touch the boards. They don't give.

They have give to them. By give, I mean they move sufficiently from the amount of force that is given to them a majority of the time during games. Of course they aren't going to move if you simply touch or push them. Otherwise they'd collapse from a simple puck dump. And the boards shake along with the glass. The boards are connected at the bottom with rubber and coils underneath thin sheets of metal along with the bolts. It allows them to lean back slightly so the glass can bend farther back. Both have give to them.

I had to help set up a hockey rink before... trust me.

Scuba, I'm sorry, but your previous post has too many contradictions. You're comparing fire with water.