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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC~TALENT
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    Carlos Hathcock (Long Traang), USMC sniper during the Vietnam war, had 93 comfirmed kills. I would say he is better than your Jack Coughlin. Not only did he work with less advanced sniper rifles, but he also worked in jungle and tall grass terrain.
    Not meaning to change the subject, but isn't he the gent that was also famous for sniping a sniper with a clean shot going through the scope, while this guy was apparently trying to track and snipe him? (hope that makes sense lol.)
    Remember watching a two part series on The History Channel about snipers and a good 45 mins was dedicated to the gent that did this...stuck out in my mind because according to how it went down, he was aware that this guy was after him and let him follow him for several days. One late afternoon he set up, saw the glint of a scope, and fired his shot on it where it apparently went through the opposing snipers scope scoring a headshot. The guy did alot of other stuff in service of our country but this paticular story sticks out in my head...and I can't remember the gent's name :(. Curious if this is him? Was a good show too btw, it's truely amazing as to what some snipers have to do and endure to even get in position to take a shot.
    That part was in the 1st sniper movie, with TomBerenger. not saying this didnt really happen in real life, but that was a part in the movie, he used a smartass NSA for bait and then he dropped his knife in the water to make the unwary sniper look at him, when he did he put one in the scope and into this head.
    That also occured in Saving Private Ryan. If you remember the french village, where Vin Diesel's character was killed by a sniper, the American sniper shot him through the scope.
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    Carlos Hathcock did shoot someone in the eye down their scope. The scene in the 'Sniper' movie with Tom Berenger supposed to be like that. The Viet Cong had been stalking Hathcock for several days. The VC sniper stalked Hathcock almost successfully. Because when Hatchcock saw something out of the corner of his eye glimmer in the jungle, he shot at it. And the only way to shoot someone directly down the scope and into their eye is if they have you in their sights. Hathcock just pulled the trigger quickly, and luckily if you ask me. He just took a guess that it was the VC sniper. And it is a proven fact that he shot it through the scope because he and his spotter went to check out their kill. I forget who his spotter was. Look for an edit soon, I might go find his name in the book :D
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    Hathcocks "scope" shot, was used in a number of movies. It was also used in, "Enemy At The Gates". And it may have happened in real life, in other wars. Hathcock was able to keep that snipers rifle/scope, for awhile. But when he got medi-vaced out of Nam, because of his burns, someone took it. As far as I know, he never saw it again.
    In reading other books snipers wrote, I have nothing but admiration for all snipers. It's not a easy way to make a living. It takes a lot of guts, to be able to look your target in the eyes, and pull the trigger. But it's something that has to be done. You have to be, like one of my game taunts. "The only thing I feel, when I kill, is recoil" My hats off to all snipers, both in real life and the game.
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    Marble, I really hope you are not comparing sniping in a game as to real life.

    But here is the exert I said I'd get from the book.

    Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills
    The brown man who hid behind the rotted log peered through his rifle's scope and saw the sudden flash of movement--the head of a man, wearing a hat with a white feather.

    He had the American who could make him a wealthy hero clearly in his sights. And like the old fisherman who, after trying time after time to hook that grandfather trout, finally sees the great silver-and-green fish nipping at his lure, only a tug away from catching him, suddenly yanks too soon and misses his catch, the dark-faced man jerked his rifle's trigger, bucking his shot wide and low.

    The sudden crack of rifle fire sent a surge of adrenalin through Hathcock's system. He raised his rifle and put his cross hairs on the log, where he saw the dark green flash of the enemy sniper disappear behind the foliage that cloaked his hide. "Damn!" Hathcock said under his breath, and then he looked down and noticed his partner lying motionless at his side, with an expression of wide-eyes alarm on his face.

    "Sergeant Hathcock! I'm hit!"

    "Where?"

    "My butt. He shot my left cheek! It's bad! It's burning like a hot iron, and I can feel the blood running all over my legs!"

    Hathcock dropped on his belly, crawled to where he could examine the wound, and then said sharply, "Burke, get up! That ain't blood, it's water. The bullet just grazed your hip and blew the bottom of your canteen. Let's go! He's getting away!"

    Both snipers could hear the brush breaking as their enemy crashed his way through the woods. They, too, jumped to their feet and hurried along the hilltop to a ridge that sloped down the windward side and overlooked a broad, treeless gap that extended down the hill. Beyond the gap, another ridge sloped to the forest below, and there Hathcock saw a gully where the runoff from the rain had eroded a route of escape for their enemy.

    "Get down," he told Burke, as they crawled to the edge of the tree line, near the top of the ridge. "Bet you everything I own that he's in that gully."

    Resting on his elbows, Burke scanned the full length of the gully with his binoculars, while Hathcock lay at his side prone behind his Winchester, looking for the slight flash or motion that would reveal his quarry.

    They watched the long gully for an hour without seeing anything, yet Hathcock felt certain that their man had not fled, but hid in waiting for them.

    Hathcock was angry. His sudden movement had put them in this predicament. It was his turn to shoot now, and he wouldn't quit until he had taken it.

    The sun lay low in the afternoon sky, sending its light down the hill at Hathcock's and Burke's backs and casting long shadows across the wide, grass-covered gap that sloped toward the gully where two almond-shaped eyes squinted behind a pair of black binoculars.

    The enemy sniper slowly searched each tree tunk with a bush for the white feather. "The arrogance of such a thing will cost this man his life," the sniper thought, as he picked apart the cover opposite him. "I will teach you to flaunt yourself. It is the humble man who wins here, my friend."

    As he trained his binoculars again at the top of the hill where the trees met the crest of the gap, something caught his eye, something small, yet bright, fluttering in the shadows. The little man squeezed his eyes shut and looked again through his binoculars, squinting to see through the blinding rays of the low sun. "I think, maybe, I have found you, my young warrior with the white plume."

    In a smooth and deliberate motion, the North Vietnamese sniper raised his rifle from the gully and tucked it into his shoulder, steadying it with his left hand, which he rested on the ground above the trench. He concentrated on the pointed sight-post inside the scope, but his target disappeared in the sun's galre, causing him to tilt and cant the weapon as he tried to pinpoint the Marine through the small scope and kill him.

    "What's that?" Hathcock said, catching a flash of light in his scope.

    "What's what?" Burke responded in a hoarse whisper.

    "There, again. Down in that gully. Something's flashing down there. Reflecting the sun. Something shiny."

    "Recon it's him?"

    "I can't tell, but something is sure sparkling in the sun. You got your field glasses on it?"

    "Yeah."

    "Make anything of it?"

    "No. It's like somebody shinning a mirror in the sun. I can't tell anything."

    "Hold tight, Burke. I'm gonna gamble a shot."

    Carefully, Hathcock centered his scope's reticle on the glimmer of reflected sunlight. He released his breath and let the cross hairs settle on the target, and, as they sttled, his .30-06 cracked down the hill, echoing through the wide, tree-less gap.

    "Holy shit, Sergeant Hathcock! You got him," Burke said as the glimmer disappeared and revealed the now dead man whose body had bounded against the oppostie side of the gully when the bullet struck.

    Hathcock smiled at his partner and said, "one shot--one kill."
    One of the best scenes in the book. I think this is a must-have if you are into stuff like this. There is more, but I cut it down because I really didn't want to type too much. It's chapter 13, pages 167-185.
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    I bought Marine Sniper earlier today, im only on the 4th chapter and its pretty damn good
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    When you're finished with that, buy Silent Warrior by Charles Henderson. It's also about Hathcock.
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    pRoNZ4, Nope, not compairing the game with real, life. I was just using one of my taunts, to show a attitude that some or all, real life snipers need. I learned it from a friend, who's the sniper on a local SWAT tteam. Another good read, about snipers, is, Dear Mom-A Sniper's Vietnam. It's by Joseph T. Ward.
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    To actually stare at the man you are going to kill takes a lot of balls. I don't care how hardcore you think you may be. To look at a man and then kill him is the absolute hardest thing to do in your life. You don't hate this man he has done nothing to you, yet you have to kill him before he kills you. There is no other way. I pity those people who join the military just to kill people. It's a whole different world out there. When you are in the position to take a man's life you will think twice. It isn't easy.

    This scares me:

    Hathcock smiled at his partner and said, "one shot--one kill."
    I understand relief. But he seems proud...

    Don't think that being a sniper is just hunting season. It isn't. What if you were the man in the enemies scope. You wouldn't want him to pull the trigger, yet he must. War is a terrible thing people. Don't join the military just to kill people. If you do I pity our military. I want to join the military, not for the death, but for the education and respect.
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    It would be pretty fucked up to just join the military to harm other people. That's what war is though, kill or be killed. I would be relieved to drop someone that has been stalking me for days and days trying to kill me. I wouldn't be happy that someone just suffered, but I would be proud in some sense because I am protecting my country. But also you have to realize that man died for a cause also. He was defending his country as was Hathcock. I would rather die protecting my country in a war than to die any other way. While people may have been sad about this man who was sniped, they would thank him for it. I owe everything I have in my life to people who have fought in wars to make America the way it is today.
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    Speaking from my experience in the Marines in both Iraq and Afghanistan, having to look at a guy and fire your weapon is something that no person should have to do. But I signed up to do my job and protect my buddies over there and for that reason I have no regrets. I was trained extremely well to make firing an instinctive thing, if you join the Marines... the will teach you the same thing. It is especially hard on me because I was a Designated Marksman and I used a modified M14 at times to snipe with at close range. It is ugly, but it has to be done.
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    The only reason why i want to join the military is becasue i dont want to go to college, i'd rather do somthing with my life than study. Even though i will learn things in the military, its not the same thing. My other reason is because i have the? how do you say... up-most hartred for arabs. Just because of the 9/11 and the other stuff combined, it all adds up and thats just me. you can call me predjudice, it doesnt affect me. i Just hate them, plain and simple.
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    I wouldn't say I hate all arabs, just the terrorists. And I am filled with a little something i call American Pride. And Adema, if you were being hunted like that and had all that happen to you, probably a second from death, and you came out on top...you wouldn't be proud? Maybe it's just my mentality about warfare, okay it's probably that, but seldom would there be a person in that position who would not take pleasure in that. That is why he was there, because he is the best of the best. He is good at what he does, and he loves what he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USMC~TALENT
    The only reason why i want to join the military is becasue i don't want to go to college, i'd rather do somthing with my life than study. Even though i will learn things in the military, its not the same thing. My other reason is because i have the? how do you say... up-most hartred for arabs. Just because of the 9/11 and the other stuff combined, it all adds up and thats just me. you can call me predjudice, it doesnt affect me. i Just hate them, plain and simple.
    I agree with the first part. I want to get a free college education, however. But that hatred for arabs is something which i, fortunately enough, do not share. I realize that not all arabs are terrorists, and i only abhor the ones that are. The rest are innocent, civilized people.
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    USMC that was pretty mean what you said about Arabs. You know damn well that just because they look like they are a terrorist, that doesn't make them a threat or a terrorist. Saying that you hate all Arabs for what a few Arabs did on 9-11 is like saying you hate all black people for one black dude's mistake. That was just ignorant. Please don't think I'm flaming you, I'm totally calm right now, I just don't think that was very appropriate to say.
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    I made a lot of Arabic friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan and they are great people. It also helps if you speak a little Arabic or Farsi. But I hate the damn terrorists. However, I can see where some hatred comes from and I hate a lot of Arabs for it too, just the right ones. And Big Red, the college education isn't free... they just help you out quite a bit. But the benefits of joining the military are immense and it is a great career choice even just for a few years.
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Gunnery SGT. Jack Coughlin, USMC