North American Ethnocentrism

[xa]

Actually, illegal immigrants do the brunt of work so don't complain about them. They do much more for this country than rich slobs who are CEO's of companies(or lawyers). I agree with maddox that companies should be forced to pay illegal immigrants an equal amount of money, because it would work. And columbus did not discover america the chinese were here waaay before. And don't forget the egyptians had tobacco somehow 3000 years ago .

[Adema]

Chinese...

if you say so...

[SuperYooper]

Originally Posted by xa

Actually, illegal immigrants do the brunt of work so don't complain about them. They do much more for this country than rich slobs who are CEO's of companies(or lawyers). I agree with maddox that companies should be forced to pay illegal immigrants an equal amount of money, because it would work. And columbus did not discover america the chinese were here waaay before. And don't forget the egyptians had tobacco somehow 3000 years ago .

I dont know what "brunt" you are talking about. I dont have the actual numbers, but Im quite sure that they do not represent 50% of the American workforce. By paying the illegals more to work, you make it more inviting for more to come into our country illegaly. There is a big gap between illegal aliens and "rich slobs". That gap is filled by folks like me. Im not poor, but Im closer to poor than I am rich. I work hard for what I get, and I pay my taxes to my Country.

Again, the problem lies in the fact that they take from our country, but give no tax dollars back. If a person comes here illegaly and starts a family, we as tax payers are the ones that will feed their kids, pay their heating bills, rent, electricity..etc... They are like sponges: They absorb, but do not expell anything useful...unless you sqeeze them.

[xa]

If they can just sponge from us why get a job? If they are paid minimum wage, a. The companies have no incentive to hire them and b. they won't need to sponge of society. If we let companies choose how much they pay them, the companies will pay as little as possible for the most profit, and the imigrants won't have any way to pay taxes. As for the brunt statement, I meant the stuff that no one wants to do. Illegal imigrants do help the country much more than hurt it.

EDIT: Chinese or mongolians, not sure. Someone from that area came over here before!

[Adema]

I know that the Nords found America a long *** time ago but Chinese...? How? That whole artic land bridge thing is bs. The only thing I think you could mean is the polynesians that would of kept coming up from Hawaii and Oceania. Idk seems kind of hard to believe either. I guess this is where there is a discrepency between science and religion. Pangea vs a 7000 year old earth.

[xa]

No they used boats and miraculously survived. I'd believe it was the polynesians than, because if you've noticed native americans frequently look asian.

[SuperYooper]

Originally Posted by xa

If they can just sponge from us why get a job? If they are paid minimum wage, a. The companies have no incentive to hire them and b. they won't need to sponge of society. If we let companies choose how much they pay them, the companies will pay as little as possible for the most profit, and the imigrants won't have any way to pay taxes. As for the brunt statement, I meant the stuff that no one wants to do. Illegal imigrants do help the country much more than hurt it.

EDIT: Chinese or mongolians, not sure. Someone from that area came over here before!

Your theory only works if they are legal. And since we are talking about illegal, it dosent work.

I think we need to make a huge sweep and send them all back to where they came from, then tighten up the border. If they choose to enter the US legally, more power to them.

[Erg]

so...uh where does Canada fit in?

[xa]

Canada is where sane people go once they tire of the US and it's backwards customs . Actually I want to go to Alaska, the mountain ranges are much more beautiful than whatever Canada has.

As for you sup: If they're not legal why do they get welfare? They definitely shouldn't. Welfare should be for citizens. Everyone should be taxed too,(digress) churches, mosques, government workers, the president. At least if they want in on politics. (Un-digress) Ok, do your sweep watch what happens :D . Soon afterward you'll wish them back. Who does the nesecary but not fun things? Illegal immigrants. How many illegal immigrants produce fake pills and screw masses of people out of their money? Probably few to none. No one else will do the nesecary things, their are way to many ways to make more money. And still, how would point a be affected by them being illegal? Wouldn't that just make them much more burdensome? They have to pay equally and deal with the fact they're illegal and they 'never' knew? Hell no they'll choose whatever is the quickest, easiest, and cheapest. Who murders people? Legal citizens, when's the last time you hear of a brutal murder done by an illegal alien? Not frequently thats for sure. They don't steal jobs they just work harder, that's like saying someone stole your grade because they studied and tried. If you are willing to work long hard hours for illegally low pay you won't have trouble finding a job.

Originally Posted by Straight from the devil's mouth ;)

"There are some people -- there are some jobs in America that Americans won't do and others are willing to do."

[SuperYooper]

Originally Posted by xa

Canada is where sane people go once they tire of the US and it's backwards customs . Actually I want to go to Alaska, the mountain ranges are much more beautiful than whatever Canada has.

As for you sup: If they're not legal why do they get welfare? They definitely shouldn't. Welfare should be for citizens. Everyone should be taxed too,(digress) churches, mosques, government workers, the president. At least if they want in on politics. (Un-digress) Ok, do your sweep watch what happens :D . Soon afterward you'll wish them back. Who does the nesecary but not fun things? Illegal immigrants. How many illegal immigrants produce fake pills and screw masses of people out of their money? Probably few to none. No one else will do the nesecary things, their are way to many ways to make more money. And still, how would point a be affected by them being illegal? Wouldn't that just make them much more burdensome? They have to pay equally and deal with the fact they're illegal and they 'never' knew? Hell no they'll choose whatever is the quickest, easiest, and cheapest. Who murders people? Legal citizens, when's the last time you hear of a brutal murder done by an illegal alien? Not frequently thats for sure. They don't steal jobs they just work harder, that's like saying someone stole your grade because they studied and tried. If you are willing to work long hard hours for illegally low pay you won't have trouble finding a job.

They get thier welfare when the kids are taken away by Child Protective Services because their parents cant afford to feed them. And Ill bet the farm that many have enough false identification to get whatever services they choose to sponge from.

The reason they do the "fun work" is because it is easy for them to get hired by corrupt buisness owners (who should also be prosecuted) They can work for cash and probably not need to supply any type of greencard or ID.

I just dont know what to say about the legal citizens being the murderers. Im curious as to the % of murders commited aliens. Ill bet its not as uncommon as you have would have me believe. But I dont have the numbers. But by your theory, you want to make them citizens, so they can murder? jk.

I get the feeling that you live, or have lived, (please correct me if Im wrong) near an International border.
I suppose they have a greater population near the borders, but that does not accurately relfect the entire nation. While they may have the less desirable job near the borders, I assure you that elsewhere good 'ol Americans are doing the dirty work. We wont miss them. If we clean them out, the buisnesses will have to pay a better wage, making those jobs more appealing to citizens.

Again, if a person wants to come to the US leagaly, and put in a hard days work, more power to them. Thats what we are all about. But they have to play by the rules.