Vote BUSH/CHENEY 2004 -- Here's why...

[Mr Belvedere]

Originally Posted by øtter

Ok, you went in their to get some oil, I mean find these weapons of mass destruction. Well good job, found nothing. You have Saddam....and still havn't found Bin Laden, why can't you just leave Iraq alone? Just killing for nonsense....your soldiers are dying for a cause thats already done....unless of course you're going by the "there are weapons of mass destruction here" <font color="#FF0000">*censored*</font>.


Also, if you invaded Iraq also because Bin Laden could've potentially been there, he could potentially be anywhere.....why not just invade the whole world?

Otter, I have to disagree with you. First of all, one of the main reasons we CANNOT leave Iraq is because we would leave the country in shambles, much like Somalia. The worst thing to do is to get started on a goal and then leave without trying to help. The main reason Iraq is a mess is because many countries have not tried to help the cause: Bringing stability to a democratic Iraq. Don't they see that Allawi is asking for help? Allawi is NOT the U.S.

Second, we went into Iraq because the government harbored terrorists. This is the reason we went into Afghanistan; the Taliban harbored terrorists. When a country says "I have nuclear weapons, and I am going to use them against the U.S. and Israel," do you think we can really sit back and talk after the threat has been around for over 10 years?

Finally, your argument that Iraq should be left alone can be analogized to World War II: If we should not have attacked Iraq, an ally to terrorists [see where Zarqawi was for many years] just because Bin Ladin wasnt there, you are saying the U.S. should not have attacked Germany in WW II because Japan was the country that bombed us.

Terrorism isnt ONLY about Bin Ladin...There are countries and several individuals who make up "terrorism." Russia sure changed its tune about "preemptive strikes" after the school tragedy. Isn't a wonder that Putin was against Iraq but now supports Bush?



DaKilla wrote:


I don't see how throwing away medals demoralizing Americans. Surely he meant it as a sign of deffiance, not as a sign of hatred. He wanted to convince the Government that he was right, and that they were wrong, which is the basis for all forms of protest. I support everyone's right to protest just as much as I support your right to say what you want about Bush and Kerry.


The fact that Kerry has constantly tried to cover up for this act ("They weren't my medals, but a friends" and then "I threw the ribbons and not actual medals") shows that he knew there were unintended consequences of his action: demoralizing soldiers.

[OTTER]

Well I'm Canadian and have nothing to do with, or have as much knowledge on the war as you do. I just think its wrong....they shouldn't be there.

[SOCOMisAWESOME]

DaKilla: Just answer me this: Why do YOU think Americans are dying for a worthless cause? Do you deem 9/11 to be a worthless event? Osama Bin Laden a man that we should let off the hook? Surely you don't mean these things...

[SOCOMisAWESOME]

Mr Belvedere is completely correct. The fact that Kerry changed his position and statements about the medals, clearly shows that he was out to disrupt the war. Currently, our soldiers, who courageously volunteered in Iraq, are fighting terrorism. Kerry is speaking against everything that they're doing. Do you think that this is making them feel good about what they decided to do?



He did it in Vietnam by trashing his medals, and spewing lies about his men.

He's doing it again to the men in Iraq. Kerry wants to bring the world together and make us all get along....How's he going to do that when 30 countries have their troops stationed throughout Iraq, while he says, WRONG WAR, WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME?!?

What a positive, upbeat and encouraging message THAT is.

I ask you, would you want him to represent America for the next 4 years?

[reclinerace]

ah-ha!! finally commen sense arrives on this forum!!!!

[OTTER]

Except for you post wh0ring recline...


SocomisAWESOME....9/11 didn't have much to do with Iraq. I totally agree with the troops in Afghanistan, thats why Canada has troops in there too, but 9/11 almost had nothing to do with Iraq, besides the fact that it was terrorism and "Iraq breeds terrorists" thing you guys have stuck in your head

[reclinerace]

lol i guess i am a positng ***** :D

[DaKilla]

Originally Posted by Mr Belvedere

The fact that Kerry has constantly tried to cover up for this act ("They weren't my medals, but a friends" and then "I threw the ribbons and not actual medals") shows that he knew there were unintended consequences of his action: demoralizing soldiers.

I don't see why he would try to cover anything up; he should proudly say he used the American system to bring across his point. If anything, Americans should praise him for expressing his rights protected by the "most important document" of all America: the Constitution.

I realize I keep bringing the Constitution back up, and I realize nobody really cares too much, but: the country is based on that piece of paper, it is important in every event that takes place in the U.S.

Originally Posted by SOCOMisAWESOME

DaKilla: Just answer me this: Why do YOU think Americans are dying for a worthless cause? Do you deem 9/11 to be a worthless event? Osama Bin Laden a man that we should let off the hook? Surely you don't mean these things...

You want to know why I think so?

Here is my entire philosophy on the entire issue. (You may not like it, but I don't care.)

9/11 doesn't matter anymore. Sure, it sucks what happened to those people, but we can't do anything about it. Forget about it, already! We went into Afghanistan, who we claimed to be responsible, and swept through it. But no, we couldn't stop there. We had to invade Iraq, which was a wholly different topic, and we are now wasting our time trying to rebuild a country that doesn't particularly want our help. I do beleive, though, that since we started it, we should finish it. I think the government should be forced to stay in Iraq and fix it, punishing the US and Americans for supporting such a stupid campaign. This is my opinion.

But even more than that, I wish the people making the stupid decisions actually had some sort of chance of being punished, because it's pretty easy to commit young men to a war when all you have to do is sit in an office. Do you think these rich, old men really care about all the youth dying? If you do, you have quite a lesson to learn.

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I really do think you need to let what happened in 2001 go. I don't see anyone here holding grudges over the War of 1812, of the Civil War. Get over it, there is nothing to be done. If you don't look into the future, you'll end up a 'right-winged nut' like Bush. And don't think, even for an instant, that I like John Kerry.

[reclinerace]

"I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I really do think you need to let what happened in 2001 go. I don't see anyone here holding grudges over the War of 1812, of the Civil War. "

no grudeges over the civil war?
youve never lived in the south then my friend.

[DaKilla]

Originally Posted by reclinerace

"I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I really do think you need to let what happened in 2001 go. I don't see anyone here holding grudges over the War of 1812, of the Civil War. "

no grudeges over the civil war?
youve never lived in the south then my friend.

Fine, so it was a bad example. I like to make negative generalizations about the south, anyway.

(People who hold grudges are ignorant fools.)