Seals Vs Terrorist - Balanced?

[AL GIORDINO]

I was originally going to post this in the "I hate the IW" post, but since it got so lengthy and off topic, I decided it needed it's own spot.

First off, I use the IW a decent amount and I'm no noob. I'm ranked 3800 legit, Ive been in some of the top clans around, and I've been playing forever. I can tell you one thing, I'm good, and it has nothing to do with the guns I use. In stealth situations, or boards where I'm trying to be sneaky and silent, I'll use an M4A1-SD or a HK5-SD. In boards where its all out battle, like Desert Glory, I'll take the IW.

Think about a few things. This game is "based" off real life, it's not trying to be an actual simulator. But in real life, Seals are obviously going to have better equipment. I think the game tries to balance this out with the fact that in real life, Seals are also always going to be on the offensive. They are going into an unfamiliar location to eliminate a threat, and plant a bomb, or rescue some hostages, etc. Thats why they get equipment (guns) like IWs, but the Terrorists always have the map advantage. They get crappier guns, but they get better start points, better bases to defend, and all around an easier mission. They get to camp and pop out at the last minute, with their crap gun. They get to plant mines all over the place and then just wait for the Seals to attack. Think about all this, and stop whining about "noob guns". The only real noob gun to me is on Rats Nest and Nightstalker, where the terrorists have M79s but the Seals don't have the 203. In Blood Lake and other maps, where both sides have the grenade launcher, maybe its corny and not as fun, but it IS equal!

Seals have to extract hostages and worry about them getting killed too. Terrorists don't need to worry about this. Think about every extraction map, terrorists can get most places faster, camp wherever, and all they need to do is kill, not worry about keeping a VIP alive. Think about every breach, terrorists all they do is camp. Think about every hostage rescue, terrorists can camp with the hostages and play defense. But they pay for these advantages by having weaker guns, and to me, that makes A LOT of sense.

The real rankup to me nowadays is called "CAPTAINS ONLY - BREACH MEDLEY as a Terrorist!". Terrorists win these maps a good 75%+ of the time! How often do you see Seals winning on Sujo or Enowapi? Sometimes, but most of the time, it's the terrorists. All they gotta do is camp, lay some mines, and let the Seals come to them. So stop whining about Seals having better guns, they need these guns to balance out the equation.

For almost every map, you can name a Terrorist advantage on that map, from starting point, to actual mission goal.

The thing is, if your sucking as a Terrorist, don't blame it on the guns. Learn to use the terrorists advantage to YOUR advantage. Don't go rushing straight at the Seals with an M3 shotty and expect not to get killed by an IW or whatever. Use your PMN mines. Use the cover of your base. Let the Seals come to your spot. These things can help you win, more than having an IW in your hands.

Back when the term noob gun came up, first it was to describe the M79s and then M203s. Then people said M63s are noobish. Now M3 shottys, M4A1s and IWs are all noobish. WTF, IS EVERY GOOD GUN NOOBISH?? Maybe they should have made every gun in the game suck! Or maybe they should have made _1_ gun that both sides get? How would everyone like that?? How stupid would that be?? It would be ridiculous because Terrorists would still have the map advantage, every time.

Heres another idea, give terrorists a gun thats equal to the IW! But if that happened, everyone would be like "WTF, terrorists wouldn't have guns that good, thats a noob gun". Stupid complainers. Of course players want good guns, and we have them. I'll own your a$$ on any map, terrorist or seal. Gun's dont make your skills, so stop whining, learn how to play, and F(_)CK EVERYONE who complains about "noob guns".
Your the real noob.

[7SEALS]

.... last i checked. the number 1 doubles in gamebattles had a sig that said "IW's are like tampons. Every pu$sy needs one" . do you think they are noobs. no. they are acually right. iws are unfair in every way. distance. speed. acuaracy. you name it. it has it. i hope that the #1 doubles arent noobs. lol

[Erg]

Al i agree with u all the way. it seems that every gun is a noob gun. people once voted me off for using the m87 for sniping, and said it was cheap because the thing kills in one shot. but it has like 1 shot every 3 seconds, while the iw has like 26 bullets in 2 seconds. and can shoot across the map.

[Poke]

AL, I have to agree with you 100% on what you just said. The thing that i think sucks is when someone comes in a room, and you see them bounce from seals to Terr. They only play on the side that has the advantage, or they will play a round of Sujo, or Enowapi as a Terr, then come to the lobby and say "Hey lets switch this up, you guys had seals last round". When the next map is Ruins, or Night Stalker, Something the seals have a good chance at winning. Those people make me sick.

Sorry for getting off topic this last half.

I can't wait to hear that the AK 105 is a newb gun.

I can't find my wifes little notes she took when we was testing all the guns, but if I remember right it kills in two shots (in the chest) just like the M14, shoots a little slower then the M14, but is alot more accurate, and it doesn't shot to much slower then the IW. May not shoot as far, but most of my gun fights are pretty close.

If anyone was wondering about the Shotguns (Kinda off topic) The pump does shoot farther then the M3, but not far enough to make it worth using in my opinion.

Yes we tested every single gun because we are sick of hearing "Newb Tubes" "Noob Cannon" etc.....

(Didn't test snipers, or pistols.)

[Wand3rer]

Why do people call them boards?

They are not boards. A board is for Chess or Checkers.


A little small there...-Cheesy

[Erg]

what do you mean by boards? As in maps or what?

[GraveDigga]

depends if u know how to shoot with other guns, i used to think the seals have the best guns, still do, but the terroists got some nice ones, ak47 n 552, i always use the ak, and for seals ra...

[LuFeng]

i dont care whos got the advantage,better weps, etc. it all goes back to teamwork, and communication. but i do have to point out i know alot of ppl who are in top clans and they NEVER, EVER use an IW-80. i could care less though my AK-47 has mowed many a IW fellas down.so go right ahead and use it, your the ones thats gonna be pissed when this terrorist mowes you down multiple times, from multiple angles, with multiple bullets from the rata tat tat of my AK!! :P then ill commit suicide right in front of your dead body since you couldnt finish me off with it :D

p.s. i dont recall everyone sayin m4a1 was a noob tube as they callem, to me i like it better than the IW.it has more kick but just as powerful if you ask me.its all in your choice though. if you wanna use an IW or M79,etc go right ahead, your the ppl that have to deal with the fact everyone calls you out.and if it doesnt matter what gun you use...for the love of god tell me why even use an IW. only reason i say this in soooo many rooms someone goes 16-5 or something usin an IW then in lobby brags..then when you mention the gun they say "ill own yall with any weapon" then at start of the next game you see he gets another kill with an IW... lmao(and i thought you was gonna use that 12 gauge you said you could go 20-4 with lol). i just think its old. when the game first came out no biggie but damn the game is over a year old, i got tired of the IW after about the first couple of weeks and moved to the seal AK and m4a1 and hk5sd.


but once again it really doesnt matter what gun you use, when you die from the AK dont start tellin your team "thats ******** i lit him up with my IW" just accept that you got owned by a loud , distinctive soundin weapon that actually revolves around more skill aiming than just pointing and firing.

[Wand3rer]

Terrorists have the advantage when...

• the SEALs are unorganized and out on their own.
• SEALs aren't trying to hide but using quiet guns in their own majority.

Seals have the advantage when...

• Terrorists are trying too hard to communicate
• Terrorists aren't camping the typical places with an M3, or using the M14 in the majority.

The Terrorist weapons are good only for camping or playing Defense when used properly.

A recurring theme in all shooter games that have an online multiplayer "versus" mode is that the teams must be balanced. SOCOM was designed for utmost teamwork to be even like the single player... even when you are playing the multi-player version.

The reason everyone hates the Terrorist weapons (except for the M16 & M14, both of which are shared with the SEALs) is beceause that every shooter game, no matter how tactical, eventually turns into an all-out run&gun style of game. The weapon limits prohibit people from doing this, but people do it anyway then bitch about how they shot someone in the head a jillion times with a 20 round clip and still didn't get the kill while they were running across the street.


(My posts own all of you, and they outnumber most of yours too)

[Greywolfe]

The fact is everyone that uses the IW or the M79 are going to always defend it and give all the reasons why it's not a noob gun. Personally I could care less. I don't waste my time on the piece of junk. I play the game to be stealthy, thus I snipe or use an M4A1sd. I have died from almost every weapon in the game so it does not matter to me if I die from one more IW-80.

However if the IW and the 203s are not "noob guns" then why is it most players do not start using them until they are losing?

I think the only thing that really bothers me about the IW is the fact that the geniuses at Zipper thought the IW-80 was perfectly balanced, but thought the mark23sd was over powered and nerfed it into a pellet gun.

I say use whatever weapon you want, but if you go into someone's room and they ask you not to use the IW, the M203, or whatever, show some freaking courtesy and switch weapons or just leave the game. There are over 1000 games at any given time so there is always going to be a game that fits your style.

Don't go into a room and ramble off the sorry line about your $50 spent gives you the god given right to use anything you like. Because the way I see it is my $50 was spent so I wouldn't have to deal with children and people that are just there to grief me, however I deal with both types of people everyday. So if I can deal with not getting everything I want you can too.

Ohh and for all the supporters of he IW and how it's just so good in real life, here is an excerpt about the SA80(IW) taken from www.world.guns.ru

Originally Posted by www.world.guns.ru

Original SA80 weapons (both L85 and L86) were plagued with many problems, some being very serious. In general, L85 was quite unreliable and troublesome to handle and maintain, so, finally, in the year 1997, after years of constant complaints from the troops, it had been decided to upgrade most L85 rifles then in service.

The upgrade program, committed in years 2000 - 2002, was completed by the famous Heckler&Koch, which was then owned by British Royal Ordnance company (German investors bought the HK back in the 2002). About 200 000 rifles were upgraded into the L85A2 configuration, out of total 320 000 or so original L85A1 rifles produced. While official reports about the upgraded weapons were glowing, the actual field reports from the British troops, engaged in the Afghanistan campaign of 2002, were again unsatisfactory.

This was not really directed to anyone in this thread, just the IW 203 squad in general.

P.S. I think the most amusing IW debate I ever had was when some kid tried to convince me why the IW needed a 203 launcher. LOL