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Old 05-15-2008   #11
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Isn't the third prong just a ground anyway?
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Yes, which is the most important aspect.

I don't wanna' spend the next twenty minutes typing, so I found a quick link that explains why it is so important. If I had the patience I would type it, but hey, what's it matter, we are the internet generation...

Why do the plugs on some appliances have two prongs and others have three prongs?

Let's start with what the holes in an outlet do. When you look at a normal 120-volt outlet in the United States, there are two vertical slots and then a round hole centered below them. The left slot is slightly larger than the right. The left slot is called "neutral," the right slot is called "hot" and the hole below them is called "ground." The prongs on a plug fit into these slots in the outlet.

If you have read How Batteries Work, you know that electricity must flow in a circuit. In a battery, electricity flows from one terminal of the battery to the other. In a house outlet, power flows from hot to neutral. The appliance you plug into an outlet completes the circuit from the hot slot to the neutral slot, and electricity flows through the appliance to run a motor, heat some coils or whatever. Let's say you plug a light bulb into the outlet. The power will flow from the hot prong, through the filament and back to the neutral prong, creating light in the process.

What if you were to plug a thick strand of wire straight from the hot slot to the neutral slot of an outlet? Unlike an appliance, which limits the amount of electricity that can flow to 60 watts (for a light bulb) or 500 watts (for a toaster), the wire would let an incredible amount of electricity flow through it. Back in the fuse box, the fuse or circuit breaker for the outlet would detect this huge surge and it would cut off the flow of electricity. The fuse prevents the wires in the wall or the outlet itself from overheating and starting a fire.

The ground slot and the neutral slot of an outlet are identical. That is, if you go back to the fuse box, you will find that the neutral and ground wires from all of the outlets go to the same place. They all connect to ground (see How Power Distribution Grids Work for details on grounding). Since they both go to the same place, why do you need both?

If you look around your house, what you will find is that just about every appliance with a metal case has a three-prong outlet. This may also include some things, like your computer, that have a metal-encased power supply inside even if the device itself comes in a plastic case. The idea behind grounding is to protect the people who use metal-encased appliances from electric shock. The casing is connected directly to the ground prong.

Let's say that a wire comes loose inside an ungrounded metal case, and the loose wire touches the metal case. If the loose wire is hot, then the metal case is now hot, and anyone who touches it will get a potentially fatal shock. With the case grounded, the electricity from the hot wire flows straight to ground, and this trips the fuse in the fuse box. Now the appliance won't work, but it won't kill you either.

What happens if you cut off the ground prong or use a cheater plug so you can plug a three-prong appliance into a two-prong outlet? Nothing really -- the appliance will still operate. What you have done, however, is disable an important safety feature that protects you from electric shock if a wire comes loose.

Source: Howstuffworks "What is the difference between two- and three-pronged plugs?"
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Does that mean you can take the bottom prong off with out "breaking" the device? (There's no reason to but lets just say). Also I have just bought a new xbox 360 and it has 2 prongs and my old one had three I remember that clearly cause I didn't have any more outlets left.
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Yes, you can remove the ground plug. However, if the device is grounded to metal (even if the exoskeleton is plastic), and the hot wire comes loose and is in contact with said metal. You'll run the risk of fatal shock or possible arcing, which could result in fire.
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Yes, you can remove the ground plug. However, if the device is grounded to metal (even if the exoskeleton is plastic), and the hot wire comes loose and is in contact with said metal. You'll run the risk of fatal shock or possible arcing, which could result in fire.
Which is exactly the reason why I would be nervous with plugging in something of value without the ever-important grounding plug.
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Which is exactly the reason why I would be nervous with plugging in something of value without the ever-important grounding plug.
Ditto my good man...

However, by using a surge protector (since all have a grounded plug) you can then actually achieve the desired effect, if you so happen to have something with a two prong male plug.

Semi-epiphany: Now that I think about it, maybe they new 360's with two prong plugs no longer have the built in surge protector.
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well in this day and age, i guess theyre figuring EVERYONE should have a surge protector at this point, if thier giving out 2 prong cords. However, we need more specific info on the said bricks/cords from someone more knowledgeable about them before we can make any assumptions.

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However, by using a surge protector (since all have a grounded plug) you can then actually achieve the desired effect, if you so happen to have something with a two prong male plug.
True... although the Microsoft "experts" recommend that you connect your 360 directly into the wall socket.
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True... although the Microsoft "experts" recommend that you connect your 360 directly into the wall socket.
True, they could have possibly changed the design because of that reason as well. If the 360 couldn't handle the power reductions and changes to the electrical supply, it could result in it being damaged (aka RROD). Which is something that surge protectors can cause.
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Actually power flows from negative to positive. It is hard to explain but you can look it up. Back in the day when they first had electric everyone was taught it flowed from positive to negative. After many year with this theory they never changed it. One of the "ground" wires is a bonding wire. It bonds all the circuits of the house together. You can look that up too if you want to see how it actually works. AC current is complicated and unpredictable.
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