My thoughts on the PS3 vs 360 fiasco

[Dynastar197]

Originally Posted by Negative Creep

Words of wisdom that everyone should "live" by.

Must.... wait..... cannot... purchase... yet.. AHHHHHHH!!!!!
Waiting is so much fun! :(

But seriously, Im broke. There's no way in hell I can afford to spend half a grand on a game system that will undoubtedly have random problems at launch. Damn you, you video game capitalists!!!

[Focus]

Originally Posted by c0mmand3r

I don't mean to be obnoxious, and hopefully you don't percieve me as such, but I really think you are wrong.

You say you don't go into the 360 sections and/or view the released games our catalog has. How can you not be biased. The thing that gets me pissed off are the avid PS3 fans who can not see past Sony. They are locked in for getting this PS3 without the slightest knowledge of the system in some cases. The games you described are mediocre at best with the exception of the Metal Gear Solid series, the Final Fantasy series, and my personal favorite which you left out which would be the God of War series. These 3 in my own humble opinion seem to be the only 3 hits the PS3 has to look foward to. Maybe in the future they will get more which are unique titles, but for now those aren't even on the horizon yet.

People are saying how much 360 sucks when they have a lot of unique and entertaining activities on the system such as downloading television shows, trailers, demos, and even online material shows such as red vs blue. In addition to that we have the Xbox live stats tracker and reputation system as well as the gamerscore system. Also, we have an online and multiplayer arcade with downloadable games. Playstation's online gaming has been pathetic at best. The only enjoyable games to play online were the Socom series. Xbox Live has been dissed an awful lot, but it is a great system of online gaming. They actually care about the customer and fix things on a regular and daily basis. A lot of people were looking foward to having to pay to play Socom3 in order to boost the online portion of the game and make it that much more enjoyable. They didn't go through with the idea and thusly Socom3 online is crappy.

Xbox was giving PS2 a run for its money towards the time 360 was getting ready to be released. PS2 had been out for much longer with a lot more titles, but Xbox was catching up. In terms of playability and just plain wanting to game, why not purchase an Xbox? You say you aren't a fan of either and just are a gamer. Why not ever look into Xbox 360? I loved my PS2. I still love it. However, the only titles I personally enjoy which are still unique to Sony are Ratchet and Clank, Socom, God of War. I know MGS and FF are very popular as well, but FF is not just for Sony anymore. Squaresoft is making games with 360 now aswell.

Basically the only reason I would ever even thinking of buying a PS3 would be for God of War 2 and a Socom 4 (which is never happening). I could easily play GOW2 at my friends house, so it isn't necessary either. I am a dedicated gamer. I go where my favorite games are. This is why I purchased an Xbox 360, and this is why I plan to purchase the Nintendo Wii. Nintendo has some great ideas such as purchasing older games such as NES, SNES, N64, and GC games through points you earn on their Wii games. I am looking foward to it. PS3 hasn't told me anything fun that they are going to have for their system. Basically it is just a new PS2 with better graphics and a slick, new design. Nothing special, and I'm sure the online is going to stay just as mediocre. I am not anti-sony. I am anti-******** gaming. Xbox360 and Wii are just ontop of their game. They are the next generation. I don't see Sony staying competitive in the gaming industry towards the end of the decade, and I really don't see a Playstation 4 much farther down the road.

I am looking foward to playing Gears of War, Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Sonic The Hedgehog, Halo 3, Halo Wars, FEAR, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Banjo and Kazooie, and the exclusive content available for games such as Double Agent, GTA IV, and others which are not available for PS3. Also, games which have already come out such as Perfect Dark Zero, Need for Speed: MW, Saints Row, Oblivion, Hitman: Blood Money, GRAW, and more which were either exclusively available on 360 or had better graphics and more content than the PS2 counterpart. Even if some of the games which were on 360 are made available for PS3 down the road, I got to play them when I wanted to. The people holding out religiously for PS3 have had to sit on the same old games for the last year while I had some serious fun and played great new games on a NG system.

I am not dedicated to 360, they just had the games I wanted to play. PS3 doesn't have enough titles to attract my attention and hard earned money. The online is a joke, and they offer little other entertainment such as an arcade or downloadable content which has been promised on so many occasions. While you sit waiting for good games for the PS3 I will be spending money earned and saved since my aquisition of the 360 and purchase a Wii and proceed to play James Bond 007: Goldeneye (N64) online with friends after downloading it from Wii's online. Also, I will enjoy a nice portion of my Gears of War and Splinter Cell Double Agent.

I go where the fun and games are. Sony just doesn't have what I'm looking for anymore. I know a lot of people who agree.

Pretty much everything you said can be said on the other side of the fence..

I plan to buy a PS3, maybe at launch, maybe not..most likely not because of the guaranteed bugs. But I don't really like the 360..my friend has one, and I've played his a lot..none of the games seem that interesting to me, none of the games coming out look interesting to me..except for Halo 3, but there's no way I'm going to shell out a few hundred bucks just to play 1 game. (made that mistake with Xbox and Halo 2, although it is a good game and I bought the Xbox this past January) One of the things I DID like though..was being able to play your own music at ANY time, on ANY game..only some games support that on Xbox, but everyone of them supports it for 360..(or is it the system supporting it and not the games?) I heard about this for the PS3 a while ago, is that still going to happen?

For PS3, I'll get to play PS2 games right away. Will I have to download a emulator or whatever to play them? No clue..will PS2 games play better? Hopefully..will Socom 3 online not have such a horrible FPS (frames per second for those that don't know..you know, when it's a full 8 on 8 nade fest on citadel small, or 16v16 on any big map) on a PS3? I hope so. Atleast with PS3, I see games that I'm interested in and would definitely buy..360, not so much.

So yes, I agree with you in going with what appease's to you more..some people say "I hate microsoft, I hate xbox, blah blah blah" or "I hate sony", whatever..if you're going to say it, atleast have a valid reason to not like them instead of hopping on a bandwagon.

I do have to agree with myghty though, you're bashing an online setup that no one knows what it's like yet..you're comparing a NG online setup(not really NG, but still..for a NG system) to an online setup for a system that's how old now? You can't really do that..I mean, atleast wait until it comes out and see what it's like before critiqueing it. Sure, it may suck, it may be buggy, it may not be as great as Xbox Live..but it may be good, it may run well without that many bugs, it may be just as great or better than Xbox live..only time will tell.

Edit: Curiosity got the best of me..
F.E.A.R. you said is a PS3 "unique" game..but there's already a F.E.A.R. for PC. It's the same game but the only difference is that the PS3 version will have new single player stuff, so I don't know if you want to count that as unique or not.

[c0mmand3r]

Originally Posted by Focus

Pretty much everything you said can be said on the other side of the fence..

I plan to buy a PS3, maybe at launch, maybe not..most likely not because of the guaranteed bugs. But I don't really like the 360..my friend has one, and I've played his a lot..none of the games seem that interesting to me, none of the games coming out look interesting to me..except for Halo 3, but there's no way I'm going to shell out a few hundred bucks just to play 1 game. (made that mistake with Xbox and Halo 2, although it is a good game and I bought the Xbox this past January) One of the things I DID like though..was being able to play your own music at ANY time, on ANY game..only some games support that on Xbox, but everyone of them supports it for 360..(or is it the system supporting it and not the games?) I heard about this for the PS3 a while ago, is that still going to happen?

For PS3, I'll get to play PS2 games right away. Will I have to download a emulator or whatever to play them? No clue..will PS2 games play better? Hopefully..will Socom 3 online not have such a horrible FPS (frames per second for those that don't know..you know, when it's a full 8 on 8 nade fest on citadel small, or 16v16 on any big map) on a PS3? I hope so. Atleast with PS3, I see games that I'm interested in and would definitely buy..360, not so much.

So yes, I agree with you in going with what appease's to you more..some people say "I hate microsoft, I hate xbox, blah blah blah" or "I hate sony", whatever..if you're going to say it, atleast have a valid reason to not like them instead of hopping on a bandwagon.

I do have to agree with myghty though, you're bashing an online setup that no one knows what it's like yet..you're comparing a NG online setup(not really NG, but still..for a NG system) to an online setup for a system that's how old now? You can't really do that..I mean, atleast wait until it comes out and see what it's like before critiqueing it. Sure, it may suck, it may be buggy, it may not be as great as Xbox Live..but it may be good, it may run well without that many bugs, it may be just as great or better than Xbox live..only time will tell.

Edit: Curiosity got the best of me..
F.E.A.R. you said is a PS3 "unique" game..but there's already a F.E.A.R. for PC. It's the same game but the only difference is that the PS3 version will have new single player stuff, so I don't know if you want to count that as unique or not.

Good retort, but I am hearing the same old stuff. "PS3 has games that interest me. I like PS3 games more." The only ones which have been mentioned which remain soley for the PS3 would be MGS series. I said God of War series, and someone said final fantasy (but squaresoft or square enix whatever it is has a contract with microsoft now too). I am not hearing any solid titles that aren't going to be available with 360 save MGS.

And I never said FEAR was a PS3 unique game. In my initial post the orange highlighted ones are games which are already out for the 360 or will be available at the same time or before PS3 gets them. PS3 will have only 5 unique titles during the entire holiday season. 360 is releasing 7 this holiday not to mention the couple dozen unique titles it has already. I hate to sound repetitive, but PS3 just doesn't have the games. Maybe they haven't said anything or showed us anything about online (now only 6 weeks from launch) because it is the same as PS2's online. They already told us it will not be an online service such as Xbox Live. Since it is free, all they can do is support the internet access. The game developers will need to produce all the online aspects individually. There is nothing joining the online games. It is once again free, and will once again have more issues with less attention to detail because it is a free service.

[Dynastar197]

Originally Posted by c0mmand3r

Good retort, but I am hearing the same old stuff. "PS3 has games that interest me. I like PS3 games more." The only ones which have been mentioned which remain soley for the PS3 would be MGS series. I said God of War series, and someone said final fantasy (but squaresoft or square enix whatever it is has a contract with microsoft now too). I am not hearing any solid titles that aren't going to be available with 360 save MGS.

How about Gran Turismo? That game alone is worth the price tag. A friend of mine said, "If the PS3 was $1000, I would happily pay it for GT5.." There is not a single game out there that even comes close to the Gran Turismo series. I'll also bet that SOCOM comes out within the first two years of the PS3's release. Only two games I need to make a decision.

[tha123]

i am and always will be a sony fan so here are my thoughts dont like em tough go play with a xbox360 for 10 minutes till you get bored

ps3
-free online to an extent
-good games
-xbox sucks?
-expensive (who doesnt like throwing money away)
^ that coment might make me seem not a fan but anyways i am gonna get a ps3 who cares if im paying $500 for something that is worth more
-need for speed carbon do i need to say anything else?
(^yes on both consoles and like 10 others but ps3 owns so...)

while all of you xbox lovers are playing your worlds smallest violins i will be wasting a whole lot of time on my ps3
(read my sig before you attempt to flame me in such circumstances i will have to take action there for resulting in your total pwnage)

[c0mmand3r]

Originally Posted by Dynastar197

How about Gran Turismo? That game alone is worth the price tag. A friend of mine said, "If the PS3 was $1000, I would happily pay it for GT5.." There is not a single game out there that even comes close to the Gran Turismo series. I'll also bet that SOCOM comes out within the first two years of the PS3's release. Only two games I need to make a decision.

I'm pretty sure Zipper is finished with the Socom series after CA. I doubt there will be a PS3 game made. GT is indeed a good point, but weighing just two or three unique titles with the PS3 versus the amount 360 has is rediculous in my opinion. I cannot judge your opinion, though, or else I'd be just like the rest of the PS3 diehards. Everyone has their reasons for what console they wish to purchase, I am just here trying to defend the 360 and show PS3 diehards that there is a downside to it.

Imagine if Microsoft somehow aquires the GT series...I think PS3 would be finished if they announced that just before the release. I wish Microsoft would aquire God of War 2, or atleast have it be multi-platform.


The only two reasons to buy a PS3:

Metal Gear Solid
Gran Turismo

[tha123]

Originally Posted by c0mmand3r

I'm pretty sure Zipper is finished with the Socom series after CA. I doubt there will be a PS3 game made

already confirmed in i think ign.com that zipper is infact making a ps3 title nobody knows what genre or what name so we will have to ponder but most would think it would be the socom series cuz socom owns =/ sorta still

[Focus]

Originally Posted by c0mmand3r

I'm pretty sure Zipper is finished with the Socom series after CA. I doubt there will be a PS3 game made. GT is indeed a good point, but weighing just two or three unique titles with the PS3 versus the amount 360 has is rediculous in my opinion. I cannot judge your opinion, though, or else I'd be just like the rest of the PS3 diehards. Everyone has their reasons for what console they wish to purchase, I am just here trying to defend the 360 and show PS3 diehards that there is a downside to it.

Imagine if Microsoft somehow aquires the GT series...I think PS3 would be finished if they announced that just before the release. I wish Microsoft would aquire God of War 2, or atleast have it be multi-platform.


The only two reasons to buy a PS3:

Metal Gear Solid
Gran Turismo

Zipper said they would make a game for PS3, but it wouldn't necessarily be a Socom..

About the FEAR thing, yeah I guess I was out of it and thought you had it in white not orange, my bad..

And if you want specific titles, I'm looking forward to..
Killzone 2
FEAR
any other FPS game(getting an interest in them)
MGS4
CoD3
Resistance:Fall of man
Medal of Honor

just to name a few..I would get tony hawk's project 8, but seen as how they dropped their online portion of the game for PS3 I'm not going to get it..

And thinking on it more, another game that interests me for 360 is GRAW, just because a lot of people have said it's a really good game.

And about 360 unique titles vs PS3 unique titles..some people buy systems off of unique titles(seeing your views on this, I'd say a person like you), while others just get a system and just get games..I'd say it's just a matter of opinion and interest on which you get..Jimmy might like some titles that are PS3 exclusive, and likes a lot of titles that are released for all systems..but he doesn't like any titles for 360 exclusives..obviously he'll get a PS3 because he'll have the game he likes, plus some others that he may or may not like..otherwise he'd have a system with titles he likes, and a bunch of titles he doesn't like.

[Subject 17]

The only reason to buy a counsel is for the games. "But this one has such pxnz0r graphiks"- No. Shut the **** up, hardware isn't the reason these systems are made you graphic noobs. It's all about the games. These things were invented to play games, and that is why we buy them. The whole thing about counsle exclusivity is total ******** IMO, unless it's because other systems cannot handle the games (MGS4) sheer awesomeness/hardware capabilities. That's why we make new counsles. Not just for the sake of having more power, but because we are developing games that require more power.

So if you like new games in general, an X360 might be for you.

If you want to play retro games, or have something like an arcade in your house, buy a Wii.

If you like games in general too, but want to play the best game ever to grace this planet, buy a PS3.



Those are the reasons you should buy them, because of the games that come out for them. Most games come out for several counsles, so you really don't loose anything by only buying one. Let the exclusive ones make your descision. All of the games cost the same anyway.

Wii will probably have more exclusive ones than the rest, due to its controller. But if they rely too much on that and make it hard to cross a game over to that counsle due to the games mechanics (can't handle controller), it will fail. If they have trouble for the PS3 (bluray and the Cell), the Ps3 will fail. If they decide to do more counsle exclusive games than normal, the Xbox 360 should fail, but it dosent look that way (even though it dosent have anything really exclusive to it hardware wise, most developers look to be for that because of deals/contracts).

Either way most of the games exclusive to the 360 probably won't be much longer. Remember when MGS2 and GTA3 were exclusive to the ps2? Why were they? Because the PS2 came out about a year before the 360. They eventually came out for the X-box (GTA3 in the double pack and MGS2 in the Substance version). Same thing will happen to many Xbox360 Games.

What am I going to buy? I'm going to buy a PS3. Why? Because I like the games better.

As long as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Grand theft auto 4 come out for the system, that is enough reason for me to own it. Not to mention Black 2 (when it gets released), SC:DA (Double Agent), and many more.

[c0mmand3r]

Originally Posted by Dboyz-x.etown

The only reason to buy a counsel is for the games. "But this one has such pxnz0r graphiks"- No. Shut the **** up, hardware isn't the reason these systems are made you graphic noobs. It's all about the games. These things were invented to play games, and that is why we buy them. The whole thing about counsle exclusivity is total ******** IMO, unless it's because other systems cannot handle the games (MGS4) sheer awesomeness/hardware capabilities. That's why we make new counsles. Not just for the sake of having more power, but because we are developing games that require more power.

So if you like new games in general, an X360 might be for you.

If you want to play retro games, or have something like an arcade in your house, buy a Wii.

If you like games in general too, but want to play the best game ever to grace this planet, buy a PS3.



Those are the reasons you should buy them, because of the games that come out for them. Most games come out for several counsles, so you really don't loose anything by only buying one. Let the exclusive ones make your descision. All of the games cost the same anyway.

Wii will probably have more exclusive ones than the rest, due to its controller. But if they rely too much on that and make it hard to cross a game over to that counsle due to the games mechanics (can't handle controller), it will fail. If they have trouble for the PS3 (bluray and the Cell), the Ps3 will fail. If they decide to do more counsle exclusive games than normal, the Xbox 360 should fail, but it dosent look that way (even though it dosent have anything really exclusive to it hardware wise, most developers look to be for that because of deals/contracts).

Either way most of the games exclusive to the 360 probably won't be much longer. Remember when MGS2 and GTA3 were exclusive to the ps2? Why were they? Because the PS2 came out about a year before the 360. They eventually came out for the X-box (GTA3 in the double pack and MGS2 in the Substance version). Same thing will happen to many Xbox360 Games.

What am I going to buy? I'm going to buy a PS3. Why? Because I like the games better.

As long as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Grand theft auto 4 come out for the system, that is enough reason for me to own it. Not to mention Black 2 (when it gets released), SC:DA (Double Agent), and many more.

What game do you speak of. As far as I can tell now MGS will probably be available on the 360. I wasn't aware of MGS going onto the Xbox, but seeing as how the rest of the titles that did that eventually ended up becoming multi-platform companies. So Gran Turismo is the last stand of the PS3? Is this the "best game to ever grace the planet"? Zipper will probably not release Socom:4. In fact, I would bet money on it. They are a good design team, though. The fact Socom will not continue doesn't mean their company won't. I doubt any other title will live up to Socom though.

The only thing I really need to prove 360 superior to the PS3 would be for Gran Turismo to come out and say their next game will be co-released with 360. Boy, would I laugh and laugh.

We will just have to wait and have the numbers speak for themselves. I don't think PS3's online will ever reach that of the level Xbox Live has reached. The marketplace, if any, that sony unveils will probably not come close to that of microsoft's reach.

As far as I can tell the only reason people want PS3s are because:

1. They feel the 360 is glitchy, however, it is inevitable for a new system to not have errors. PS3 will go through the same thing, maybe even more glitches for all we know.

2. Metal Gear Solid. Now I find out MGS might be co-releasing with PS3 and 360 much like GTA IV plans to do.

3. Games. Gran Turismo, as far as I can tell, is the only x-factor. Besides a potential (unlikely at best, however) new Socom, there isn't really much in this department. God Of War 2 is in this area, but hopefully that will transfer to a co-release as well.


We shall see when the numbers are released after this quarter who trumped who for the holiday season. The games for this holiday are going to crush the PS3. Not to mention the 360 has worked all the bugs out, PS3 users are just going to be finding them in the next couple of weeks after release.

Open your eyes. Sony's Computer Entertainment department is falling apart.