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Mine Camping & Placement Tactics by c0mmand3r (6/04/05)
- Recent Update (6/04/05) -
Five tactics for Fish Hook added and completed. I plan to do Crossroads next followed by Vigilance. Watch for updates!
- Official Guide Statement -
This guide will show all of you just how to pull out wins on certain maps thanks to good old mines. I will list atleast four strategies for mine camping and full placement techniques for most of the maps. These strategies may not work for everyone and require practice to perfect. Some of these techniques may seem impossible for you to accomplish, but I assure you they have ALL be tested with the latest and up to date patches for socom2. I hope that these tactics can help you in the next few months as they have undoubtably helped me over the years. Obviously this is a Terorist only guide seeing as how mines are required. Have fun and PM me with any of your personal techniques!
**Desert Glory**
All of us like to play Desert Glory. Face it fellas, it is one of the most played and also one of the best maps on socom. What I am trying to get at here is a template for friends here at socom3.com to follow when mine camping. Obviously terrorists have the upper hand on this map. Between grenades and rushing techniques, terrorists usually own this map. It is important to protect the hostages, though, just incase your team fails in their efforts. This post will guide you to perfection in mine placement for Desert Glory. Enjoy!
Camping Techniques Reminder
The camping side of mines. This is the main reason mines are created, to be an aid where you cannot cover or to enforce defences on certain tactical positions. There are several spots you can go to camp with mines. Remember to always call out your mines. If you have to, call them out several times each round. Most people are turned off by mines because of teamkilling, but if you play smart and keep all your mines in confined areas you will be fine.
1. Inside the Hostage room
This are requires you to plant all of your mines and to do it rather tactically. Here is what I do and I find it works best. Keep in mind, for this spot you MUST start on the right spawn near the building to begin with. It is highly suggested you be the closest you can to the building doors at the start also, but we can work past it.
Mine 1 - Head straight into the building and turn around at the first entrence. Plant a mine on either side (left works better I find). Make sure it is on the wood not in the middle and visable from head on.
Mine 2 - From mine 1 head into the c4 breach area and down the steps halfway. Plant a mine here and watch for enemies coming up the tunnel.
Mine 3 - From mine 2 head up the stairs and out the door. Right at the entrence to the door place a mine that is slightly out of the doorway towards the ledge into the hostage building.
Mine 4 - The master mine as I call it. Inside the hostage room door on the left side right on the wood.
After you have finished with the mines head inside and wait around the wall out of sight of the middle building. Beware of stray grenades. You should always be watching the entrence. If you like, you can move the hostages to alert you to a c4 being placed. Put the hostages near the c4 breach wall and they will run when it is placed. Warning, though, this will alert them to your precense within the room. Your mines don't give you away, but the hostages will.
2. Inside the c4 breach area
This spot requires you to plant only 3 of your 4 total mines. It is suggested to plant all 4 though. You will see what I am talking about in a minute. To camp this area requires you to start on the right side somewhat near the hostage building entrence.
Mine 1 - Head directly inside the building through the c4 area and downstairs. Plant a mine at the cage right in the middle of the open door on the grey part. Make sure you get it inside properly.
Mine 2 (optional) - Head to the top of the stairs and go back the way you came. Head outside and mine the wall hop area from the deck.
Mine 3 - If you choose not to plant number 2 just stop at the doorway to the back of your base and plant a mine on the left side on the wood door paneling inside.
Mine 4 - Once back inside the c4 area plant a mine at the doorway leading inside the c4 area from the ledge going to the hostage room. Make sure it is sticking out a bit so the seals will run by and blow up on it.
The reason that mine 2 is optional is because if you do not start closest to the building it is unsafe to attempt to get it off and still hold down the area. Once all mines are planted sit on the steps leading up to the top floor area of the building and watch the door that leads out to the ledge. Make sure you are consealed behind the wall so that seals cannot see you from the back of your base.
3. The destroyed strip on the left
This section is the most dangerous and can easily go wrong in an instant. Varrying methods and required mines are needed to be effective. This requires you to start off at the strip on the left side. Alter the mine locations from round to round and watch out for grenades. Nades are a big factor for this method. If the enemy is heavy on nades DO NOT ATTEMPT unless you got some really big balls. Good luck.
Mine 1 - Run to the front of the strip and plant a mine at the doorway leading into the strip building from inside.
Mine 2 - Plant a second mine right next to mine 1 on the other doorway entrence at the front of the strip.
Mine 3 - Run back quickly to the section closer to the garage and plant a mine at that little doorway on the inside part.
Mine 4 - Plant a mine at the doorway from the inside which leads into the section closer to the garage from the long path along the left side of the strip.
Sorry if this seems a little confusing. Really all you must do is secure most of the entrences which you cannot see from the section of the strip closest to the garage. Once all of the mines are set, sit back in the corner between the wall with the middle door connecting the two sections and the doorway leading to the left path. Watch the two gaping sections that you did not mine for passer-by seals.
4. The middle building - a.k.a. hell itself
This is by far the hardest mother to camp properly for most mine campers. There are so many variations for the mine setup, but I will tell you my best and by far favorite method. Remember, mines can stop people but windows cannot stop bullets. You are always in the danger zone when you are in this building. Lets get started.
This requires you to start as close as you can to the middle building. Some right and left spawns will do. You need to get in here FAST.
Mine 1 - Run inside the building and plant a mine at the doorway from the seals side ASAP. Make sure it is on the wood paneling and hidden from view on the other side.
Mine 2 - Go up the steps halfway and plant a mine nearing the top. This prevents a grenade to blow up the first one to catch the second one. Do not go all the way up or else it can be avoided.
Mine 3 - Head to the ledge on this floor near the broken building (or tower). Plant a mine on this ledge trying hard to hide it but allowing it to be rather in the center. This prevents people from jumping in via the broken tower.
Mine 4 - On the steps about halfway up to the third floor hugging the right side of the steps. This makes people not think and those with dark tvs to not see it. Do not go fully on the right or else people can hug the wall and pass it.
Once you are finished where you sit is up to you. I suggest the corner near the ledge where you can jump off to the tower. This helps in grenade emergencies and also to avoid a few seals rushing up. If you are up against one person who is about to enter level 3, just hide on the outside ledge and sneak up on them as they become baffled you are not in sight up there. This is by far the hardest place to camp and takes bigger balls to do than on the strip.
**Frost Fire**
Even though this is one of the hardest if not the hardest map to win as terrorist, that does not mean all hope is lost. I have a few mine suggestions for this map aswell. Terrorist have a wide array of positions to take, but seem to limit themselves to their tunnels and the computer room. I will cover tactics there, but I have much more also. Enjoy!
Camping Techniques Reminder
The camping side of mines. This is the main reason mines are created, to be an aid where you cannot cover or to enforce defences on certain tactical positions. There are several spots you can go to camp with mines. Remember to always call out your mines. If you have to, call them out several times each round. Most people are turned off by mines because of teamkilling, but if you play smart and keep all your mines in confined areas you will be fine.
1. Inside the computer room
This is the typical position for a camper to take. There are some troubles with this position, but let me help you through it! This is the MOST tactical position in the entire map. This is the crossroads for major conflicts that start way early. Trick is to get in and setup FAST. Any spawn on the deck is possible, but preferably the one right near the door. Otherwise terrorists will get in your way while jumping off the hell spawn.
Mine 1 - Get inside and fast. Try and get a partner for this part. If you can't throw a grenade. Bounce it off the wall and get it to the entrence from the box room ramp door. Quickly throw another then plant a mine at the entrence by the terrorist platform.
Mine 2 - Watch the door now from the end of the wall that goes to the box room ramp door. Stay out of site from that entrence but also from the platform entrence. Wait for a bit, then chuck your final grenade through the entrence and wait for it to blow. Run to the entrence and plant a mine at the left side of that doorway and out fo view from the ramp.
Mine 3 - This mine is to watch your back for you. If you are paranoid, plant this sucker on the deck door entrence to ensure no box jumpers to the deck are going to sneak up on you.
Mine 4 - Eventually one mine will get blown up, be it by a grenade or a seal. Replace it out with this final mine when you know it is clear to do so.
Some things to remember when camping in the computer room. Watch for grenades from all angles. It is possible to beat the seals against all odds with great observation and quick relexes. Alter your plans to your situation. Just lost a mine at a door? Switch locations to watch that door now. Kill seals if they try and throw nades through the platform entrence. This is ideal, they will be like sitting ducks for a second or two. If you see oportunity, take it to jump down from the platform or deck and sneak up on any remaining seals. Stay hidden!
2. My favorite - Seal tunnel
This is my favorite spot to mine camp. This is difficult to get positioned in, but if you follow my plans you will be racking in the wins. First of all, head into the tunnels under the platform. Make a right into the connecting tunnel toward the ladder. Wait for rushing seals. Before you make a move, throw a nade. Get further in the position yourself at the corner where you can see the ramp heading down from under the deck. This is where we will start.
Mine 1 - Check to see if the coast is clear. Plant a mine right in the middle of the tunnel where you are standing around this corner.
Mine 2 - Run quickly up the ramp and pray that no one is there to sneak up on you. Plant a second mine right on the ramp comming down from the seal base at about the halfway mark.
Mine 3 - Back down and head into the tunnel that you didn't mine up yet (the seal tunnel). At the entrence where it is much more narrow than the rest of the tunnel plant a mine in the middle closer in but in that narrow point.
Mine 4 - For now, your work is done. You are set on this end of the tunnel. Carefully and stealthily head to the other side. There are two things you can do at this point. A). Camp on the ramp here and watch both directions like a mad man or B). Plant your final mine at the bottom of this ramp and head back into a fallback position within the tunnel.
Assuming you chose option B, head back down the hall and camp just around this corner watching at all times the ramp you just place mine 4 on. Carefull of the vents, they can shoot through them and hit you on occasion. Stay enough behind it so they cannot see you either way, but so you can see that entire hallway. This is by far my best tactic for FF, but there are so many complications with it because of the conditions needed to get to the tunnel itself.
3. The Box Room
This one is challenging and hard to pull off. Two ways to attempt this one. First is to go through the computer room and fight your way to the box room. Second requires less skill...lol. I will use the second for this setup. Jump off the platform towards the box room area. Run right for that door. Sit tight and wait for the timer to go down 15-20 seconds from start. Bust in and kill anyone in your sights. Here we go!
Mine 1 - Plant a mine immediatley on the door closer to the terrorists platform. You know the drill, keep it on the sides hidden from view.
Mine 2 - Head up the ramp and plant a mine on the inside of this door on the right side of the paneling. Make sure both doors are closed by the way.
Mine 3 - Head down the ramp and go straight foward. There is a little gap between the boxes and the wall on a corner. Plant a mine here to stop seals. Try to keep it hidden, but not totally out of the way. We want them to die and or stop, remember.
Mine 4 (security backup) - Now head around to the opposite side of the large open entrence. There should be three boxes in an L shape. Situate yourself here and lean to one side. Any seal that enters here will either die or come straight from the entrence you are looking at. You have a fourth security mine for when one blows up or if you find another place for it. Beware the grenades, but if you got this far without being spotted you are golden.
For this camping area you must remember to always let the seals go. If they enter the box room they are yours. Let them pass by if they are further out. This is like a fishing location. Eventually one will take the bite or end the round without a loss atleast.
4. Terrorist Tunnels - The Basic
This is another basic camping grounds for terrorists. So many people do not know how to make this work, and to be honest I can help you but it is still hard. This is just not a great decision and is a result of last resort or clustered map thinking. Heres what we will do. At the start, jump off the platform and head inside down the ramp and into the left terrorist tunnel. Follow it around to the right and get to the end.
Mine 1 - Chuck a few nades and watch out for incomming grenades. Wait a few for all the grenade throwers to ease up. Check to see if it is clear and plant your mine at the crease of the ramp to floor welding.
Mine 2 - Run around back and down the hall. Watch for incomming seals from the other tunnel, chuck a grenade for good measure. Plant a mine at the turn just inside the tunnel there.
Mine 3 - Head back into the terrorist tunnels. Go up the ramp and place your third mine at the little wall there on your left. Make sure it goes between the two walls so there is no passage route.
Mine 4 - Back down the ramp at the bottom place your fourth and final mine. Make sure it isn't on the ramp but a little ways off of it. Just get it placed so they cannot simply jump over it and land in the tunnel passed it.
Now to get to your camping section. I suggest the little niche in the long hall near the other end of the tunnel. This is great to protect yourself and you can hear most everything going on. Prone in the corner facing the ramp from the water tower area. If you are lucky, the seals comming the other direction will not notice you, this si why you keep your grenades out for this part. It is VERY hard to make this work, but this should help in desperate times. Good luck.
**Fish Hook**
The prime time camping map. This is the first map from the new ones that I will cover. I love this map. In my opinion it only works for small wars no larger than 5v5. This maps, although large, gets cluttered quickly. There is not enough jobs for more than 5 people. However, for our mining experts out there...this is heaven. Lets get the party started.
Camping Techniques Reminder
The camping side of mines. This is the main reason mines are created, to be an aid where you cannot cover or to enforce defences on certain tactical positions. There are several spots you can go to camp with mines. Remember to always call out your mines. If you have to, call them out several times each round. Most people are turned off by mines because of teamkilling, but if you play smart and keep all your mines in confined areas you will be fine.
1. Hostage Building with Hostages
This doesn't require any specific spawn, but if you are closer to the courtyard it will help...a lot. The basic idea for this area is to hold down the hostages upstairs in the building and do it effectively. I have won rounds many times being the last one left against 5+ seals because of this strategy. I hope it will help you out.
Mine 1 - From your spawn run up to the courtyard. If you can get a friend to plant a mine at the bottom of the ladder on the c4 breach wall. If not don't sweat it. Enter the building on the side door, the entrence not in the courtyard itself, and go through the other doorway. Plant a mine on the inside part of this second doorway on the right side on the wood paneling.
Mine 2 - From here it is speed that will get you through it. Be fast and effective. Plant your second mine on the doorway that leads out to the courtyard on the right side of the doorway on the wood paneling.
Mine 3 - Before this mine is planted grab all 3 hostages and bring them upstairs. Let go of them towards the balcony so if they chuck grenades in the upper floor they will kill them. Do not put them on the balcony and do not let them go to far towards it. Once the hostages are holding, go down the stairs and about the 3rd step up plant a mine on the right side but not touching the wall.
Mine 4 - Plant a mine right next to the 3rd mine but a little more off the wall and on about the 4th step. This prevents them from being able to jump over them. These are not meant to kill seals, it is a barrier to keep the away from you for as long as possible.
I love camping this area because I have so much experience. There are varrying way on how to camp this building, but this is one of my favorites. The two doorway mines allow for stealthy kills if the seals don't think to look. The two stair mines keep them down on the bottom for that extra instant, and if they don't have grenades you will hear the gunshots and can head shot them while they try. Once upstairs, open the door and watch the door from the wall that you can hide behind made by the balcony. Do not go out on the balcony unless you know where the seals are. There is a glorious plan to evade any seals with this balcony. If a seal just blew up the mines on the steps, step outside onto the balcony and watch behind a wall for them to procede up the steps. When they are securing or have their back to you lay them out. Another tip witht he balcony is to jump off towards the c4 breach from the mountain beach spawn for the seals. Hit the little ledge outside against the hostage building and walk along it until it drops you. This is a way to get down and lose no health and be able to sneak up on the seals. Good luck!
2. Boat House with Hostages
There are two ways to situate yourself inside the boat house. This is determined by one factor only - do you have the hostages? This part will allow you to camp the boat house strategically with the hostages. This requires you start near the hostage building entrence and also works well with a partner. If you do not have a partner then you can make do without one.
Mine 1 - First thing is first, grab those hostages and bring them out to the boat house. Go in either door and run them upstairs. Make them hold and run back outside. Plant a mine on the barrels which enable you to jump to the top floor of the boat house.
Mine 2 - From this mine head inside the hostage building and plant your second mine at the doorway closest to the barrels that doesn't lead to the left side alley. Plant the mine on the wood paneling on the LEFT side of the door. Make sure you close the door.
Mine 3 (depending on your camping style) - Plant this one on the other door that faces the left side alley that reaches back to the beach. IF you prefer to camp at this location like I do and watch the alley through the window then do not plant a mine here.
Mine 4 - You must choose where you want to be, upstairs or downstairs. Either way plant a mine on the steps going up at the first bunch of steps. If you camp upstairs you will need these steps to watch the lower section so make sure the mine is low and on the first series of steps.
This method has a lot of options. I prefer to camp on the bottom as no one expects you to. You have the window and can watch the left alley, and you also have that little vent in the wall to watch the courtyard and barrels. This is a great position and can easily help to evade grenades with its large area. If you choose to camp upstairs you can use the hostages to your advantage by placing them in front of the door so no one can snipe you from outside. I don't like it up there because you are a target for grenades and can also be screwed over by flashbangs. Now about your partner. This only benefits you because you can have him take the hostages and get right to mining the barrels. You don't have to wait to take them upstairs. This also allows for one person to be on each level waiting to defend the building.
3. Boat House without Hostages
Not having the hostages crowding your space can be a real benefit. You have to be more alert, however, and watch to see if the hostages are being taken for extract. This is more easily pulled off if you have a partner watching the hostages in the hostage building.
Mine 1 - Run to the courtyard and plant a mine on the barrels outside of the hostage building. If you want you can place this mine on the ground near the barrels for the seals who will fall off when they fail and hit it. I don't take the risk of someone messing up so I put one right on top. If all it does is stop them then mission accomplished.
Mine 2 - Place this one somewhere in the courtyard near the boathouse. I prefer to take this one near the center tree. This is strategic because when you throw grenades off later you have more than one thing blowing up on contact.
Mine 3 - Mine one of the lower doors on the wood paneling. Keep the mine to the left side of the door from the inside and out of sight from the outside.
Mine 4 - Mine the other door the same way and head upstairs.
This setup allows for full mobility from the top floor to bottom floor and reduces the stress of dealing with the hostages. You can take a camping position within the building, or you can be actively moving around from floor to floor checking the courtyard for seals. Grenades are effective here. Seals will be sitting around waiting for the terrorist mine campers to make a move. The second mine comes in handy to increase explosions in the courtyard.
4. Left Side Alley Technique
This is not used often by me, but it does work for some people. This is for the offensive mine planter looking to keep the seals out of one region. Beware, though, for teamkills and hostage kills are more evident here than anywhere else. CALL your mines out and DON'T let the seals touch the hostages whatever you do.
Mine 1 - head over to the left side alley anyway you can. Upon arrival head right for the beach. Plant your first mine (after chucking a grenade and checking for seals) against the wall at the corner within the alley.
Mine 2 - Watch your back at all times and head back and take a right into the center of the map. Plant a mine in the foliage placed here. Seals like to hide in there for some reason.
Mine 3 - Go back the way you came and head back up towards your base. Plant a mine at the section where the alley has three quick walls on either side come in a ways. Plant a mine at the one closest to the seal base on the right side. Have it stick out enough to kill passer-bys but not too far out to prevent anyone from coming through.
Mine 4 - Retreat to the first section of the alley and plant a mine in the middle towards the exit on the right side hugging the wall but not fully on it.
This pattern is hard to get off, but if done properly can be a huge advantage for your team. You just single handedly blocked the entire left alley way as an entrence or exit for the seals. I suggest planting yourself in the boat house lower level watching the left side through the window near that door. Your one job is to kill anyone comming up this alley.
5. Right Side Defence Strategy
This is a basic defence pattern for the terrorist base. It prevents quick rushes via the right hand path leading in front of the hostage building and around back, and in addition via the c4 breaches over here. This mine pattern also allows for the throwing of grenades, a luxury to precious to give up for a terrorists. Beware seal grenades though!
Mine 1 - Here comes your plus side to choosing this tactic! Chuck two grenades over the steps towards the right side of the beach full blast then one over the c4 wall to the back of the beach head on full blast from the pots. After chucking those grenades back out and plant a mine on the one entrence to this location without a breach. The entrence near the hostage building window and below the balcony. Plant this one on the right side wall right at the corner sticking out a few inches. Make sure if someone runs through there they will get blow to hell. The bump here will conseal it somewhat, just don't put it in full sight.
Mine 2 - From here head to the breach from the right side. In between the two posts at this location place one mine. Make sure it isn't a foot away from the breach wall so it will not blow up with it.
Mine 3 - Back up a bit and place this one right below the bump in the section the meets with the small path infront of the hostage building door here. This will make anyone coming from any direction hit it at that tiny junction.
Mine 4 - Head back to the breach by the ladder and the pots and plant a mine behind the pots more towards your base. This will not blow up with the breach and will get anyone who runs through here.
After the final mine is planted you can choose just where you want to camp. I suggest climbing the ladder to your left right after you plant and walk over the wood to hide up there. It allows for good observation of the center and the path in front of the breach nearby. You can also choose to back up to the back of the base or to go watch the other breach from on top of the steps nearby. The other great spot is to jump over and hide within the breach building just below those steps to prevent any seal from blowing it up.
**Crossroads**
This is a good map to focus on for mine stragies as it is the official tie breaker map. You will get a lot of practice on this map and will be able to pull these off without any difficulty. Crossroads may be viewed as seal oriented, but I always thought terrorists have the upper hand. We can defend our base better, we can camp much better, and we get the bomb first with a rush. The terrorists also can get to either bridge trigger faster than any seal.
Camping Techniques Reminder
The camping side of mines. This is the main reason mines are created, to be an aid where you cannot cover or to enforce defences on certain tactical positions. There are several spots you can go to camp with mines. Remember to always call out your mines. If you have to, call them out several times each round. Most people are turned off by mines because of teamkilling, but if you play smart and keep all your mines in confined areas you will be fine.
1. "I'll mine up the base!"
We hear this a lot but really no one knows exactly what to do. I have developed a neat little strategy to ensure the proper proctection of the base is in order. Some of these can be altered, but this is the plan I came up with way back when.
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