Cross-Platform Game DiscussionGeneral discussion amongst games that are available across multiple consoles. Popular games will have their own forum below.
I can see your point of view. But there's one thing I have to say differently. You mentioned that the PS3 lacked anything new or innovative. I see it as the complete opposite. The Xbox360 is using technology that has been around for a long time, hence the reason it's much easier to develop games for it than the PS3. On the other hand, the PS3 was made using brand new technology, the Cell processor. That's why developers have had some problems developing games for it, because the technology is new and there has been a learning curve. The PS3 also uses Bluetooth technology, which is a newer technology. Its multi-media capabilities is also a newer idea. But, it's not necessarily a bad thing that the 360 is using older technology, because it has made it easier to produce some great games.
while theres no question that hardware wise they have come out with a system with very new technologies that youve mentioned above. Alot of it looks good on paper, but most hardware features aside from blu ray are half assed, and probably could have been used to strengthen the system in other aspects, like making the system affordable and software-desireable right out of the box. Other features (software and hardware alike) are just ripped off of other systems(even at the last minute before launch), and while there is nothing wrong with that, It doesnt really do any of these features better, and seems like its just cloning features to stay in the game(this excludes HOME).
And as much potential as the cell processor has, even Sony knows that was a bad idea wasting that much money and time developing it. I also fear that by the time devs even finish learning the ins and outs of the cell, itll be time for somthing else to wow us. That time is growing near as we speak.
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I also fear that by the time devs even finish learning the ins and outs of the cell, itll be time for somthing else to wow us. That time is growing near as we speak.
Eh, I doubt it... simply because people were saying the exact same thing back when the PS2 first launched. Developers like Insomniac have already started to show that it's not so tough once you've worked with it long enough.
you guys do know that sony has lost over $4 billion because of playstation 3.
it costs them to make a piece around $800 and they have been selling it for around $300.
so really, i dont know how long playstation 3 will last. and if they somehow are able to reduce the cost to make it, then obviously the quality of the games and the system will hurt tremendously.
xbox 360 is better in the long run.
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you guys do know that sony has lost over $4 billion because of playstation 3.
it costs them to make a piece around $800 and they have been selling it for around $300.
so really, i dont know how long playstation 3 will last. and if they somehow are able to reduce the cost to make it, then obviously the quality of the games and the system will hurt tremendously.
xbox 360 is better in the long run.
You do realize that Sony makes that up with blu-ray and 1st party game sales. There is no way that Sony would release a product and take a 4 billion dollar hit just because it is a nice thing to do.
You do realize that Sony makes that up with blu-ray and 1st party game sales. There is no way that Sony would release a product and take a 4 billion dollar hit just because it is a nice thing to do.
No, they do it because they NEED the money. They are not making much money in sales at all. In fact, they're still losing money with each sale of a PS3. Sony let Tekken, Devil May Cry, and Final Fantasy go because they need the money to keep Playstation in business. Why the hell else would you release three major titles like that and let them go cross-platform? Not because you have too much money or enough. If you did then it wouldn't be three major titles like that.
Let me start off by saying that I have played both consoles and played good and bad games for both. The first subject I would like to bring out is the insides of the systems.
PS3 wins, everything is better down to the case. The Xbox consoles are rushed so they have more defects as opposed to the PS3 where they dont need to be rushed so they have less defects lol. Now for the second subject. SONY MAKES MONEY!!! The PS3 isnt the only thing that Sony has. The Blu-ray discs are theirs so they get money for all of the moneys made from now until the next big thing. The only thing that is hurting them is the PS3 itself which is making up for it by increasing their name and selling more of their products such as games and movies. The PS3 is more of a gateway than a solo product like the Xbox. The PS3 uses the console to sell games and movies like Nintendo's old strategy from the NES and SNES. They know how to do it. The console is not where the money is....its the games. The last part is the game/online game point of view. The online games and normal games are the same to a point. The main differences are that one is a service with a little more bang. The Xbox has better online SERVICE but the PS3 is equivalent because you dont have to pay to play a game you have already bought.
So at the end of the day Sony wins. I wouldnt buy one because I dont like consoles since they cost more than they are worth but if i had to buy one it would be....PS3.
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No, they do it because they NEED the money. They are not making much money in sales at all. In fact, they're still losing money with each sale of a PS3. Sony let Tekken, Devil May Cry, and Final Fantasy go because they need the money to keep Playstation in business. Why the hell else would you release three major titles like that and let them go cross-platform? Not because you have too much money or enough. If you did then it wouldn't be three major titles like that.
Why would they let them go cross-platform??? Because Sony can't tell third parties what to do. They don't own them. >_>
Sony has already expressed that their first party games are a higher priority. Why do you think hey have over 20 first party studios...Microsoft has like, 4. MIcrosoft needs to mostly get multiplatform games to become appealing. Sony isn't willing to pay up hundreds of millions of dollars to keep exclusive rights to a game that will still end up being on their console anyways, but Microsoft is willing to do that to just get a game to go multiplatform. You don't realize that Sony didn't have that many exclusive rights to a lot of these series during the PS2 era. Developers simply developed on the PS2 because it was an awesome console, huge install base, and the two other consoles out that gen were pieces of crap.You guys act like Sony is some poor *** company who can't afford anything. As if Playstation is on the verge of going bankrupt.
Every single company that releases a video game console sells at a loss for the first 2 or so years. It is a long term industry. You take big losses at the start to be able to sell more games, peripherals, DLC, etc, then eventually the consoles themselves become profitable and then you are making large profits. Not to mention that the PS3 itself actually started to be come profitable quite some time ago.
Even without the throwing around of money at third party developers, most of them WANT to go multiplatform simply because of development costs. The development costs are way too high to risk developing for one console in most instances, especially for extremely high budget games. Games like FF13, and Square Enix is in a financial slump right now because they haven't released a good game in 6 years. They are losing money with every mediocre piece of crap they release, so now they felt it was necessary to go multiplatform to get a bigger profit to help save their ***.
Let me start off by saying that I have played both consoles and played good and bad games for both. The first subject I would like to bring out is the insides of the systems.
PS3 wins, everything is better down to the case. The Xbox consoles are rushed so they have more defects as opposed to the PS3 where they dont need to be rushed so they have less defects lol. Now for the second subject. SONY MAKES MONEY!!! The PS3 isnt the only thing that Sony has. The Blu-ray discs are theirs so they get money for all of the moneys made from now until the next big thing. The only thing that is hurting them is the PS3 itself which is making up for it by increasing their name and selling more of their products such as games and movies. The PS3 is more of a gateway than a solo product like the Xbox. The PS3 uses the console to sell games and movies like Nintendo's old strategy from the NES and SNES. They know how to do it. The console is not where the money is....its the games. The last part is the game/online game point of view. The online games and normal games are the same to a point. The main differences are that one is a service with a little more bang. The Xbox has better online SERVICE but the PS3 is equivalent because you dont have to pay to play a game you have already bought.
So at the end of the day Sony wins. I wouldnt buy one because I dont like consoles since they cost more than they are worth but if i had to buy one it would be....PS3.
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The PS3 is a Gateway product to what? a an extra controller? tv or surround sound system? that doesn't make any sense at all. Just because they sell a wide array of consumer electronics doesn't mean they are better off than another company, and it definitely DOES NOT, give people the urge to just go buy a Bravia or an Ericsson. Also despite the fact that Sony makes money in other departments, Microsoft is still a bigger company, with more money and almost no consumer electronics besides the xbox, so that argument is alittle off.
Secondly if your talking about GAMES, The xbox is also winning in that department. They sell more games, and significantly more third party titles. The only thing Sony has its its first party titles, and even a good chunk of those are lackluster (not that Microsoft doesn't have duds either but just sayin.)
The Sony online service is NOT "equivalent" to LIVE just because its free. Just wanted to let you kno that since you don't have a console.
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As if Playstation is on the verge of going bankrupt.
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Of course not, but the money aint as long as it used to be, and while it is exageration to talk about SOny like the playsation isnt making some type of money, continue to see the PS3 in Third place throughout the rest of this generation, and most likely the next. Well unless there is some sort of radical change of course, but i doubt it.
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Let me start off by saying that I have played both consoles and played good and bad games for both. The first subject I would like to bring out is the insides of the systems.
PS3 wins, everything is better down to the case. The Xbox consoles are rushed so they have more defects as opposed to the PS3 where they dont need to be rushed so they have less defects lol. Now for the second subject. SONY MAKES MONEY!!! The PS3 isnt the only thing that Sony has. The Blu-ray discs are theirs so they get money for all of the moneys made from now until the next big thing. The only thing that is hurting them is the PS3 itself which is making up for it by increasing their name and selling more of their products such as games and movies. The PS3 is more of a gateway than a solo product like the Xbox. The PS3 uses the console to sell games and movies like Nintendo's old strategy from the NES and SNES. They know how to do it. The console is not where the money is....its the games. The last part is the game/online game point of view. The online games and normal games are the same to a point. The main differences are that one is a service with a little more bang. The Xbox has better online SERVICE but the PS3 is equivalent because you dont have to pay to play a game you have already bought.
So at the end of the day Sony wins. I wouldnt buy one because I dont like consoles since they cost more than they are worth but if i had to buy one it would be....PS3.
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ok well DUH! sony makes money. they are a billion dollar industry. they make literally anything electronic. well the computer i am using to post this is a sony vaio. so yeah they do make money we aint stupid. but they are not really making enough money with the playstation to balance the hit they taking cause of ps3.
the one smart thing they did is to keep ps2 games and other stuff in limited production but production none the less which is more than i can say about microsoft who completly shut down the first xbox.
the one smart thing they did is to keep ps2 games and other stuff in limited production but production none the less which is more than i can say about microsoft who completly shut down the first xbox.
In microsofts case they had no choice. The xbox was trailing in favor of the PS2, and the 360s online interface was damn near incompatible with old one, and the way they were trying to push forward with their online goals for the system. So there was no need for them to keep on dragging that 15 pound box around.
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I would really like to see more excitement come back into the video game industry in general. It just seems like people aren't as excited over video games as they used to be. I still am, but I don't think the majority of people are. I could be wrong on that assumption, but that's the way it has seemed. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are both great systems, and they both have great games, so I don't understand why excitement over the video game industry has died down a little. But I have noticed that there have been more bad games along with the good. It seems that for every good game that comes out, there are four horrible games that come out.
I am, however, very excited about 2009. I'm a PS3 guy, and the exclusive game lineup on the PS3 next year looks awesome! I'm gonna have to save my money, because there are several games coming out in 09 that I want. I'm sure a few of them will be disappointments, as usual, but I know that most of them are gonna be home-run hitters.
I don't understand why excitement over the video game industry has died down a little.
Because the majority of games are half-assed, rushed pieces of over-priced garbage. When they're not that, they're the same old, same old with zero innovation and originality.
When there're only 1-3 really original and innovative games a year, it's a letdown and a turn off.
Because the majority of games are half-assed, rushed pieces of over-priced garbage. When they're not that, they're the same old, same old with zero innovation and originality.
When there're only 1-3 really original and innovative games a year, it's a letdown and a turn off.
Bingo....
Not as many people are "excited" about it anymore. but they still sell more than they ever have before. People should stop rewarding these ****** developers.
For an example, everyone keeps buying Square Enix games, and they are all complete garbage as of recently and they look like they always will be from now on, minus the main FF games, but a truly great RPG like Valkyria Chronicles just flies under everyones radar. :(
For an example, everyone keeps buying Square Enix games, and they are all complete garbage as of recently and they look like they always will be from now on, minus the main FF games, but a truly great RPG like Valkyria Chronicles just flies under everyones radar. :(
Valkyria Chronicles isn't an RPG, it's a turn based strategy game. But it is bloody awesome. I think it's fantastic and I can't put it down. Definitely one of the better games of the year, and I hope it's successful enough that we see more, because for some reason there's not really anything else like it around. Good turn based stuff like this (actually any turn based stuff) is frustratingly hard to come by these days, and It's great to see original IP like this do it so well.
Having said that, it might just be me from the sounds of it, but even at my ripe old age I still get excited about games, but most of the ones I've really been looking forward to this year have had a number at the end of them. Saint's Row 2, Resistance 2, Rock Band 2, Fable 2, Fallout 3... Does that make me evil?
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