Rank System rant/thoughts for Socom III

Flea · 03-29-2005

i agree just keep the ladder # and your history(kills deaths booms etc) but take away the wings, kookies, lt. and lt c.

c0mmand3r · 03-29-2005

Glad to see some people agree with me. Oh, and Jar, many people will be more upset if there is no rank system then if there is a crappy one. It is true I hate the rank system now, but I think a game like this and any online shooter does need some form of rank. The way that zipper went about it in S2 was the wrong way though. I think all socom really needs is a revamped version of S1s system with maybe a title and placement number that only you, people scrolling near your name, clan members, and friends can see. Also in the search option in the rooms. There is no need for a decoration next to our names. It just complicates things. The public doesn't need to base your skill off rank nor do they need to feel that they need a certain rank. This would help that.

K!P DYNAM!TE · 03-30-2005

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First off, eliminate rank specific rooms. They make people cheat and glitch and get angry at the game just because the don't feel special.
Secondly, eliminate options to shut certain people out. If you don't want someone in just vote them out. For tryouts for clans, what does their rank matter if they are great players and will help you win wars. Rank comes into play there, clan rank. Clan rank should be based off stats like kills over deaths and not a point system. A total amount of kills for the clan then the percentage over deaths would work out the hard work of players even if they get screwed over in ranking system loopholes. Next, the insignia should be taken out. I don't know what it is but people get oddly ballsy when they have a silver bird next to their name. Players shouldn't feel superior because of one bird. Take out the insignia and base your "talent" from your skill not your insignia.
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Yeah thats all well and good, but what about all the lag. Sometimes i do blame it on lag when i know it was my fault but seriously, this game has the worst lag. Also kills/deaths sucks because in socom 1 people ranked up just as easily as people in socom 2. I should be all about where you shot them and with what gun. Yeah there will still be rank up, but there always will be. But the ranking system will be better

Papa Smurf · 03-30-2005

One thing that should also be taken away is the fact that if your a captain and you kill a bunch of ensigns, you will go down. I dont think thats fair at all. Also, i do think that the rank only rooms are really stupid, but theyre probably gonna stay.

. They need a ranking system like a glazed donut instead. You always know whats in a glazed donut

. Sorry guys, ive just been in a odd mood lately.

pghreaper · 03-30-2005

Yeah i agree, get rid of the ranking system and just keep the stats on Kills Killed kill vips rescue hostages and whatever else
also get rid of the HIT% it is meaningless
Just make rooms suchs as GENERAL ROOM(for everyone)
CLAN WARS
EAST
WEST
CENTRAL
CANADA
CLAN TRYOUTS

Boba.Fatt · 03-30-2005

I find the whole crappy rank system quite amusing. There is nothing I enjoy more than watching morons do moronic things to maintain a moronic rank. I do like statistics, but the ranking system is completely pathetic. Ever since the last rank reset, I have tried my best to rank down as much as possible while still providing my team with whatever help is needed to win the match. Granted it can be somewhat of an achievement to have a good place in the ranking ladder while playing legit because of all the morons who are dishonestly there. But as for me, I take my cookie over wings anyday.

I also have some members in my clan who never rank up or cheat and have wings. The catch is that they are just plain awful players. Their stats are AWFUL but yet they legitimitely are captains. The ranking system is completely flawed and anyone who thinks it means anything is just further proving the true simplicity of the average homo sapien. It's amazing how we consider man an intelligent species.

c0mmand3r · 03-30-2005

Yea, at the start of S2 like in january after release I was in the top 2500 and stayed there. Rank up started like mad and I had slowly gotten to like 1200 then Zipper "accidently" erased my name with a few hundred others during a server crash. That stunk, but then I got another name to captain in the top 10k legit. It's not hard to rank up in this system, thats also the problem. In S1, only few people ranked up if any did. Also it took a long time of playing to rank up, not just sittting in rank up rooms. The game is supposed to be about fun, and granted it's fun to be high rank, but while they rank up they ruin the game and respect for rank for the rest of us.

Clan Ranking - I posted an entire piece on clan information and opinions I had in another thread listed here:

http://www.socom3.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14346

Basicly I believe if we made an official in-game ladder system for clan matches we could go by that. Clan matches would be set up according to the individual's liking and that match is played and goes towards your clan's record. The record is recorded and that measures what your position on the ladder is. Your position will now be your clan's rank. Going by individual ranks for a group rank is a bit rediculous. It should rate you as a whole not 16 people averaged together.

Player Ranking - This, according to the "rank up people" is the single most important part of socom:

For player's individual ranks, you should not get insignia. You shouldnt get anything at all. Infact I believe ranks are rediculous. However, we do need to show some form of rank or else people will go crazy. This is my proposal for personal rank. A player can attain different levels or ranks within the game. We could have 10 or so rank levels and your points add up to what rank you are. Your rank is something only you, your clan and your friends will be able to see, also those who take the time to scroll through the registered players to find you. There will also be a numbered rank for all to see on the registered player rank list. As you level up in rank you can get patches for you player or something, haven't quite thought out rewards I don't know if the maps will be like they are now chosing one of four players or if you are one person for the whole time.

Anyway this would eliminate some incentive to rank up and restore fun back to socom. It is just a boosted form of S1s system with potential rewards built in.

Magnum Force · 03-31-2005

I have always thought that they should just keep track of your stats. Like instead of "Player Ranking" on the Online Main Menu, it should say, "Player Stats". And when you go into it, it shows your stats, but you can press some button and a search will come up with the keyboard and you can search people's stats. (I'm sure this would be difficult to do -the search part I mean-)

c0mmand3r · 03-31-2005

Well, I like your idea Crazy, but the search part wouldn't be hard. Think about it, thats what we got now just with the number rank next to the name. Anyway, I would like that also. The thing I'm mostly concerned with is making everyone happy, and a lot of people like to keep track of rank, but yet still discouraging people from wanting to rank up.

Subject 17 · 03-31-2005

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Originally Posted by c0mmand3r

Cheaters are lured in by being the best. Rank is the most important thing to cheaters and glitchers, so the easiest way to eliminate the bulk would be to tone down the way we rank people.

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Originally Posted by a wise man once

no, cheaters arent lured in by being the best. the gnk rooms hurt your rank a lot. your not supposed to kill, so your stats drop cause u dont win the rounds, you fall to your death or kill your self other how, and you get a lot of draws. there lured in either by beating the programmers at there owm game, seeing new places (like on the roofs. it looks awesome.) or just laughing at the people so pissed off at them.