who uses the RPG/AT4? i do......

LuFeng · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by dienow

What you say makes alot of sense if, a very senical if at that, you accept two premises.
1) I give a rats *censored* about the Socom Community.
2) I'm a noob and therefore I must use the weapons because that is the only reason I would believe they should be accepted.

Lets address 1....I don't play the game to be accepted in your community, I play the game to have fun. If you want a room where weapons are banned and only certain things can be used, then go create a private room, don't bring that nonsense into the public rooms. Furthermore, until there is a poll of the 100,000 or so unique players on Socom, don't speak as if you have a concensus of what weapons are acceptable and which ones aren't. For every "weapons snob" I know legit players who don't care what weapon you use and realize the benefits and draw backs of each. Once again, I liken this to the idiots who don't like scrambling quarterbacks in Madden, IF ITS IN THE GAME, ITS IN THE GAME. SO IF ITS PART OF WAR, ITS GONNA BE IN A WAR GAME

You do understand that socom is a third person, war and tactical strategy game? I don't understand who died and made you guys the ultimate determiners of what is and isn't a noob gun. I'm sure over in Iraq the soldiers jump out the Humvee and say, please don't shoot that rocket at me Mr. Bad Guy, only noobs use rpgs

Furthermore, your argument fails because toward the end of Socom 1, everyone glitched, there where more glitchers than none glitchers. Does this mean that the Socom community has now accepted glitching and therefore I must glitch? Hell No, it means you idiots take the game too serious and will go along with whatever you think everyone else agrees with. All the while ruining the game. If next week idiots say that m67's are noob grenades and only use HE's then i'm sure you'd be all for that? Quit being such a follower and instead have fun and GET BETTER. If a guys uses a rpg, shot him in the head while he's on a knee. If a guy has a shot gun, back up and shot him in the head. If a guy has an IW80, get an M14 or shot gun, get up close and rape him. Or better yet, snipe him. If this nonsense continues, we will all be playing with flashbangs and smoke because everything else will be considered noob. F'ing retarded.

Second, the "you're a noob thats why you think that" or "you're a little kid so you don't matter" arguments are getting old, because I personally think the people who cannot adjust to different weapons are the real noobs and as far as me being a stupid little kid, well i'm a 23 year old law student who is about to make law review at the best school in the south. Check my name and stats, on any three of my legit captain names. The one and only DATDAMNGOOD or Gen. Patton or JP DA GREAT and my clan GEN will be happy to whipe the floor with you any day, with whatever weapons you deem appropriate for the *censored* whipping and on maps that are alledgely one sides such as breach maps are deathtrap. You know why we can do this? Because we don't complain, we just get better.

And one more thing, test the IW80 and the STG, they are damn near the same gun and I hear no one complaining about the STG, why is that? Because all this noob gun talk is just a bunch of idiots jumping on the online bandwagon and calling whatever gun its popular to call a noob gun, a noob gun.

ok i will make a few points without callin you a noob,idiot or tearing you down.this is going to be more of an intilectual comparison post so it may help you and others realize the gross innacuracies that make certain weapons noobish or just so easy to use its demmed "unfair" or "unskillfull" to use.

1.i will start off by covering the AT-4 H and RPG's.

*RPG*
a weapon used by many terrorist factions and other militarys around the world.propells the grenade towards objects and explodes on impact.shoots strait and can not go over hills,buildings or mountains.in the game you can at most have 2 RPG rounds to use.takes a few seconds to go into stance and launch,a few seconds to then reload if you have 2 rounds, then another few seconds to switch to your weapon after firing this beast....now this is atleast an ACCURATE depiction of this weapon in real life sence it DOES take time to reload and/or switch to your sidearm/primary.also realistic in the backblast area that can easily kill someone so you have to be carefull who is around you when firing.

*AT4-Heat*
a weapon used for anti tank/vehicles and or buildings etc and is also a total beast in game and in real life.although there are no vehicles to use this launcher ingame at you can breach/kill with this with quite effectively.downfall only 1 round no reloading after that.can not shoot over mountains,building etc either.takes a few seconds to get in stance and fire then another few seconds to go back to weapon.also have to be careful of the backblast on this weapon as well.

now ive discussed the ups and downs of both launchers and want to say in NO FRIGGIN WAY do these compare to M203 or the M79 for the morons who think they can pull them out because a rocket was used.when a rocket is fired you can HEAR IT, SEE THE TRAIL, and have a few precious seconds to react unlike the 203/79 rounds exploding on you at the spawn with no warning.i dont care who uses the launchers they are atleast realisticly portrayed in the game...so lets move on to the meat and potatoes....

*M203/M-16 and M4A1 versions*
these are designed to lauch grenades any and everywhere.the explosion from the grenade covers a wider area than a regular grenade depending on the type of grenade used.in REAL life they take atleast 5-8 seconds to load then to fire if you dont aim(if aiming atleast 3-5 seconds) then after firing takes another 8-12 seconds to manually eject the cartridge load another and shut the chamber to refire(this is the part that makes them CHEAP and UNFAIR in this game, if they were like the RPG/AT4's on the realistic part of using them id have and im sure everyone would have NO FRIGGIN PROBLEM with them being used.)with this slight gross realistic relaoding and firing times of the M203/M79's on the game it makes ppl pissed of that someone can launch 5 grenades in the span of 4-6 seconds at you or your team.(which is total and udder BULLCOCKY!!!)

only difference between the M16-203 and the M4A1-203 is the fire rates on the weapons and it depends more on the skill level of the player what weapon they will choose since the 16 is a lil more powerful yet harder to master then the almost equally powerful M4 but has auto.

M79 is just a pure grenade launcher that is like a grim reaper with its reload times etc.

now lets compare the 203 and 79....

203- fires in an arc you have to compensate for when firing also effects it more as you run around firing it.since the actual 203 attatchment takes up a slot in your inventory you are shorted grenades compared to the M79.

79-fires strait at what your pointin at whcih means you aim and it hits where the crosshairs are but at same time can kill yourself with it easier if you shoot it too close to yourself.is a full fledged stand alone grenade launcher which means you can caryy extra grenades to use in in unlike the 203 series.

that covers the 203/79's for now...

now lets move on to the last so called "cheap" weapon in the game that is one of the biggest contreversies....

*IW-80*
this is by far THE BEST weapon on the game hands down.the sheer fire right and accuracy alone makes it the shyt not even counting its power.this beast IN GAME has a 30 round clip of corner bending,through enviroment shooting, decapitating bullets.you can easily kill extra ppl just firing at a guy and killin someone half way around the board runnin that way, its is crazy.MYSELF and OTHERS pretty much dont care anymore if you use this.to me using this gun shows a lack of skill on the part of the user and voids any right you had to talk shyt aftewr going 15-5 with it.hell i laugh at someone using it who cant get 10 kills its that easy to use.I PERSONALLY wouldnt be caught dead using it unless i pick it off a deal seals body to givit back to them

so once again if you NEED to use to get kills go ahead but dont expect praise from anyone and expect the other seals on your team to chew your *** off when you die with it and some terrorist picks it up and starts killin them cause thats what will happen.atleast they coulda made it jam for a sec every 3 or 4 clips for accurassy sake but oh well this is where skill prevails.a gun can only save your skillLESS azz for so long

now lets talk about the terrorists most talked about weapon...

*M-14*
this is one mean gun and on BOTH sides so hard to see the argument here....

has a 20 round clip which sucks but it hink helps keep it out of "noob" status to me.it has prolly the most kick in the game besides the M-60 guns.sure only a few bullets have to hit you to kill you but hell most guns only need 3 good hits to kill you.is almost like a mini sniper rifle in single shot and in the RIGHT skilled hands it is deadly.MY feelings why anyone on seals considers it is noobs is because they generally play seals the most since most maps are seals advantage and gewt mad when they are killed a few times by it since they think i guess we should all line up at the terr spawn point and await excution...

also put the IW in a 1st day players hands and a M-14 in a 1st day players hands and i GAURANTEE the IW guy will have more kills at the end of the day!!!!!i will lay money on it even!!!!i mean if the seals didnt get the M-14 i could almost...and i said ALMOST understand it being a noob tube but since both teams have i mean get REAL folks!!! if BOTH teams had the IW more ppl would be against the IW as well its a fact of life.....

now lemme touch on the IW and STG-77 comparison you made....sure they both fire quick and same cal bullet if i remember right (could be wrong im not perfect) but thats where the similarities end.the IW is waaaaaay more accurate especially long range so your point was????? ok thanks...

now you say your 23 and in law school which i will go on your word here but then you say you have 3 names all captains with lots of stats....how is this relevant to the argument??... i personally dont care if you were 12 or 48 all ive ever brought kids up about glitchin and 203's etc was givin a pretty damn close accurate percentage....i gaurantee that 80% if not more that use those and the excuse i payed for the game aare under 20 if not 17, plain and simple and TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!! also I didnt bring your age into this...YOU did.if your 23 and act like this and have no care for the ppl around you you have alot of growin up to do my friend, also i feel bad for you clients if you REALLY are gonna be a lawyer but he if so your on the right track at using whatever helps YOU out in life

(I wouldnt have brought your job into this but YOU did which confused me since i could care less if you were a 23 year old grocery clerk, your stand is your stand your job has nothin to do with the argument and if you wanna boast about it theres a topic for you to talk about it that BigMike made in the POLLS section kk?

:? ah hell im nice heres link please post away and tell us all about your schooling and what you want to be http://www.socom3.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13917 )

now lets talk about COMMUNITY ......

although YOU dont care about it or want to be part of it, ALOT OF US DO!!!nothing pisses me off more than to play a relaxing game of socom before work or on a day off to have some I PAYED 50 DOLLARS FOR THE GAME AND CAN USE WHAT I WANT type of punk pull it out(think of another excuse ppl thats gettin old, we know YOU didnt buy it mommy and daddy did

)by saying YOU dont give a rats a55 about the cmmunity to me is sayin you have no friends on here.if thats the case i feel bad for you and think maybe you should play offline games since you have no friends you must just have a shytty attitude?maybe? and if you do have friends by saying you dont care about the community is sayin you dont care about them.without players standing up to punks who think they can BULLY ppl around this game would end up like socom1 you keep bringin up about the cheating....wanna know why so much cheatin was goin on at the end buddy?????

CAUSE ALL THE HONEST PPL GOT TIRED OF IT AND PRETTY MUCH QUIT MORON!!!!

sorry for the name calling but it doesnt take a 4 year college degree to figure that out.and the way you talk about it you stayed which prolly meant you cheated and gave in.might be wrong im just figuring this from what youve wrote.

socom is nothing without community and the rules that are upheld within it.like now sure theres glitchers but for the most part they are dispatched of rather quickly by TKing,voting,etc so are you sayin we should also let them stay SINCE THEY PAID FOR THE GAME??? im afraid not partner if you cant play fair like in real sports then you suck.

lets talk the madden QB rushin you brought up now.just like in real sport all game vick doesnt run around, sure he does alot but they rush AND HE TRIES TO THROW some atleast.ive played ppl like you who pick ATL, and rush Vick EVERY ****IIN PLAY and its unrealistic and rediculous.why cant you play a REAL game of football...it is...SIMULATION after all.ppl like you lack skill and sportmanship and rely on pu55y tactics to win to boost your self esteem.i feel bad for ppl like you but hey i get a good chuckle out of it atleast cause i could care less, when i turn my ps2 off i go back to life where socom,madden,etc doesnt mean shyt.you on the other hand prolly feel all big and bad...take some prozak man, breathe and realize yes IT IS ONLY A GAME....but like real sports which is ONLY A GAME there are rules (hence the chopblock anology) and unwritten rules that ppl abide by for the sake of true competition.i dont care if you change your views cause there are enough of us out there that play to have fun yet maintain a high paced skillfull game so with or without you MY socom COMMUNITY will GROW and THRIVE

a concerned member,
Lu

AL GIORDINO · 04-01-2005

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Originally Posted by dienow

What you say makes alot of sense if, a very senical if at that, you accept two premises.
1) I give a rats *censored* about the Socom Community.
2) I'm a noob and therefore I must use the weapons because that is the only reason I would believe they should be accepted.

After this last rant, I just think your probably upset at something that happened during the actual game. Why are you so angry about the majority of players disagreeing with you? What is it, have people been voting you out for using noob guns? Have you been teamkilled? Awwww.. its okay little buddy, it must be something like that.. your feelings must have been hurt.. Anyway I hope you learned your lesson. Honestly it just sounds like your really venting your anger here.. None of us got angry... Sorry but you do sound like a noob and nobody really cares about your opinion contradictory to the majority consensus, or the "veteran" players you know that support noob guns, fact of the matter is, most players don't support their use, which is why you'll run into huge resistance in any public room. End of story. (btw if you WERE a veteran, you'd understand all our points without us having to explain it, I have the feeling you just got the game recently and you feel this way because you paid for the game as it is you should be able to use any gun, an argument heard quite often) You say bring that to private rooms, but theres too many players who are against their use to always do that! Anyway, I mean you can argue your point all you want, but end of story will always be the fact that most players disagree with you! You can't change that with your little tirades.

Btw what are we supposed to be impressed your in law school? So now that your in law school, your the authority on Socom 2 socially acceptable rules? Lol. I guess that makes me the authority on Socom statistics and trends because I work on Wall Street, and I'm dead on correct about the majority of players disliking your favorite guns. Sorry but thats the trend. You may find it personally disappointing, but its true, and your little rants on here won't change anything. (I know, I know, your just venting)

SuperYooper · 04-01-2005

I bust out the rockets every so often. I rarely get kills with them. I dont mind anyone else using them, but it overloads my PS2 when alot of people use them.

dienow · 04-01-2005

Lu Fang I can respect your opinion since you actually use logic and reason to arrive at it instead of just jumping on the socom "noob gun" bandwagon. Which is the reason most people complain about guns, because everyone else does.

Now as far as why I brought my age and school into this, check the two pages of this thread, most people complain that only little kids and idiots use or support the use of these guns.

As far as your argument that you just wanna play w/o having to deal with guys using these guns, I just wanna play w/o hearing you guys complain.

Now as far as your madden comparision, I agree Vick doesn't scramble all game, but he does scramble and people complain. And by the way I don't use him and will be happy to school you in that game anyday you choose.
Check my stats, I'm legit, http://www.easports.com/games/madden...me=DATDAMNGOOD.

Same gamer tag on all games, so I ain't hard to find.

All you other people that complain about the guns, you should take note of Lu Fang and have actual reasons for not liking there use, instead of just whinning.

Glad you recognize the drawbacks of rpg/atv and I also agree that the M79 m203 aren't very realistic. However, I don't agree that people should try to restrict what weapons people use in the game, I guess we will never agree on that, but oh well. At least for once, someone spoke logically about why they think certain guns are "noob," unlike the rambling idiot who wrote after you.

And by the way, I never get voted out, I know too many peeps online. I'm telling you, look me up, bring all the s-2 groupies if you want. We will dominate you clowns. Any of the top east servers in any public room, I ain't hard to find.

DATDAMNGOOD
Clan - GEN