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Old 01-06-2005   #1
 


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I'm gonna start workin on a huge letter to Sony & Zipper, I know it's been done and I doubt it will help in anyway.. I just feel the need to vent my Socom agression out on them, Since they won't fix it. I was wondering if anyone could list some of the problems that you ahve noticed, I think I';ve covered them all but not sure. Heres the list so far

Lag, People skipping across the screen making it impossible to kill them. Having an M16 burst out 1-2 shots isntead of it's 3 rounds and giving the opponent a good chance to kill you.

Hit Detection, Shooting someone hitting them twice with an M87ELR and still having them get up and kill you, Is just crap...

Guns, The IW seems to unfair although I am not one to complain when the whole team is useing an IW the terrorists have no chance to win. I'd say doing some weapon switching, Like AK-105 go to the Terrorists and maybe the M14 taken off SEALs. While come may disagree, I think this will make alot of people happy in the long run.

Autoplay, Alot of people seem to have this problem aswell as me. Hitting Autoplay on accident and then quickly exiting the room can cause an eror message that says "Game Join Error" after pressing X several times, Notthing happens except that message popping back up. Forcing them to restart their PS2's and re-connect.

Vigilance, It's a good map it's just laggy as can be, Especially during respawns. It also has a surface problem. At the terrorsts spawn, Left of the left bridge, That C4 BReach room. The wall once you go in and go to the window, can be shot thru, Which is crap!

Rats Nest, Some of the rocks at the SEAL spawn can be shot through, This is another bad thing!

Desert Glory, the C4 Breach can kill someone on the otherside of that wall, Hiding at the door. Yet, It dosen't destroy the wall so how does it kill people?







I know I am missing a few things, So if you know of anything I missed. Post it :) I'll probably send this in like a week or two.
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I'm gonna start workin on a huge letter to Sony & Zipper, I know it's been done and I doubt it will help in anyway.. I just feel the need to vent my Socom agression out on them, Since they won't fix it. I was wondering if anyone could list some of the problems that you ahve noticed, I think I';ve covered them all but not sure. Heres the list so far

Lag, People skipping across the screen making it impossible to kill them. Having an M16 burst out 1-2 shots isntead of it's 3 rounds and giving the opponent a good chance to kill you.

Hit Detection, Shooting someone hitting them twice with an M87ELR and still having them get up and kill you, Is just crap...

Guns, The IW seems to unfair although I am not one to complain when the whole team is useing an IW the terrorists have no chance to win. I'd say doing some weapon switching, Like AK-105 go to the Terrorists and maybe the M14 taken off SEALs. While come may disagree, I think this will make alot of people happy in the long run.

Autoplay, Alot of people seem to have this problem aswell as me. Hitting Autoplay on accident and then quickly exiting the room can cause an eror message that says "Game Join Error" after pressing X several times, Notthing happens except that message popping back up. Forcing them to restart their PS2's and re-connect.

Vigilance, It's a good map it's just laggy as can be, Especially during respawns. It also has a surface problem. At the terrorsts spawn, Left of the left bridge, That C4 BReach room. The wall once you go in and go to the window, can be shot thru, Which is crap!

Rats Nest, Some of the rocks at the SEAL spawn can be shot through, This is another bad thing!

Desert Glory, the C4 Breach can kill someone on the otherside of that wall, Hiding at the door. Yet, It dosen't destroy the wall so how does it kill people?







I know I am missing a few things, So if you know of anything I missed. Post it :) I'll probably send this in like a week or two.
Umm I haven't played Socom in a while bit some of the stuff you are asking for is just silly.

"Having an M16 burst out 1-2 shots isntead of it's 3 rounds and giving the opponent a good chance to kill you."

Real M16's don't burst out 1-2 shots, and if it bursts out one shot wouldn't that just be single shot?

"Lag, People skipping across the screen making it impossible to kill them. "

I don't think they can fix lag, they could have better servers up, but since your playing online for free i think those servers are good enough.

"Hit Detection, Shooting someone hitting them twice with an M87ELR and still having them get up and kill you, Is just crap..."

Lag, or that the person can't aim very well.

Im sure other people will be posting about this..those are just what i think of it.
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please dont name your threads "hmm..." it doesnt get anywhere when you do that.

give your threads logical subject names so people know what they are about to read. the point of the title is to inform viewers what is inside of the thread, not to keep them guessing at what it could be.
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I hate making creative titles. They can't fix it but they can definately lower it and M16's do burst our 1-2 shots and not all 3.. I can garuntee you it won't spit all 3 in respawns about half way thru.
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M16 is allready a hard gun to use. And if ur having a close range fire fight with an automatic 7 times out of 10 you will lose, unless you are really good with that gun. If anything, make the burst have more shots. And altron is right, 1-2 shots is like putting a gun on single shot, and why would you want to use a rifle on single shot? (unless youre sniping/going for accuracy but there is no scope on M16)
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Most of this isn't well thought out, it's just what you are most angry about of the game and it's totally the person's connection fault, not the game. Theres not much we can do about that except vote em off or...deal with it or something, I mostly agree with Altron....the stuff you are asking for "is just silly".
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M16 is allready a hard gun to use. And if your having a close range fire fight with an automatic 7 times out of 10 you will lose, unless you are really good with that gun.
how dare you say the M16 will lose 7/10 times!!! it doesnt matter who you are, if you are not a M14 and IW wh0re and use the M16, you will win with it

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Hit Detection, Shooting someone hitting them twice with an M87ELR and still having them get up and kill you, Is just crap...
maybe you are hitting them in the arm or leg. those shots do not kill in one shot. depending on where you hit them, sometimes it doesnt kill them in two shots either. for example, if i were to shoot you in your ankle or forearm twice with that gun, you would still be alive but very low on health. if i were to shoot you in the upper arm, shoulder, or lower leg... you will be low on health with the first shot. anywhere else is free game! you just may want to start aiming up or more in towards their chest
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please don't name your threads "hmm..." it doesnt get anywhere when you do that.

give your threads logical subject names so people know what they are about to read. the point of the title is to inform viewers what is inside of the thread, not to keep them guessing at what it could be.
Well said Mob and second LOOK next time or search http://www.socom-2.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11145 this was just put in the other day same topic.
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Maybe some of you are retarded, I said state problems no bith about "It isn't well thought" or "Make better title" Well to amek you morons happy, Here's a better one.. Now unless your illiterate you won't post unless your contributing..






1) Lag.
Problems like the INCREDIBLE lag in a game full of broadband players. This problem could be caused by the host, and is the least of changeable problems.

2) Hit detection.
This is a VERY bad problem. I would like to see a human get shot in the side with a 12 gauge, and then get up, and kill someone else as if they are not injured. I have seen head shots result in nothing. I have emptied 50+ rounds into people that manage to just turn around and shoot once and kill me, or whoever is shooting. This is a 1-shot, 1-kill game; this isn’t supposed to be Quake.

3) Cheat/Glitch Paranoia.
Sony/Zipper is SO paranoid about cheaters/glitchers that they have RUINED the game with patches that modify the game.
a) Now when someone dies in a doorway, you can’t walk through it, because their body blocks you.

b) You will get stuck on boxes, poles, trashcans, and any other object while walking. Resulting in you getting shot, because you are stuck.

c) Gun operations and stats changed. We would like for the weapons to not change. The programmers are aware of glitches that involved switching weapons at times, on order to cheat, or gain weapons/vision you normally could not have. The problem is, now you can’t change weapons in intense situations where you need to. I.E. Zoomed in with scoped weapon, you hear footsteps near you, so you need to pull out your secondary gun with L2, but it will NOT let you now.

d) Clipping.
Because Sony wanted to stop the "T-Bone" glitch, they modified the clipping for all players in the game. The problem is, this ruined functions in the game. You can’t lean near a wall. Throwing frags sometimes doesn’t work, and reloading sometimes doesn’t work. The main problem with this is not being able to move in an area, when someone dies there. Like doorways, or small hallways. MAJOR PROBLEM!

e) Random name banning.
Just like it says. I myself have had names banned, and other people have as well. Sony is SO scared of cheat devices, that they have the server banning people. Sony has added a little bit of code that checks to see if your Socom2 disc was started from a Hard Reset, or Soft Reset. A Hard Reset is when your power is off, and a soft reset is when a program like gameshark tells you to put the disc in and hit start to load. The problem is, many people use USB memory cards, and the larger expansion memory cards. These memory cards force you to start by loading the memory card disc, to activate the card, and then loading your game. When you do this, you are met with, “You have been banned for using a cheat device.” Sony thinks they were all smart in using that function, but they didn't take into account that they were forcing people to download HUGE 2mb updates, so a lot of people got the larger memory cards. Now these people get banned for cheating, even though they were NOT cheating. What does Sony do to fix the problem? They tell you NOT to buy those memory cards, or they give you some BS about those memory cards not being supported. This must be stopped.

4) Icon/Function problem.
a) When you have to break an area, you have to get up to the break, select “plant C4” and hit “x”. The problem is, the icon to place the C4 does not come up most of the time. This leaves you VERY open to getting shot.

b) When you are trying to plant the bomb, it is almost impossible sometime to get the “plant bomb” icon to appear. This is a HUGE problem, and causes losses, when there should be wins.

5) Bomb problems.
As mentioned above, it is VERY hard to plant the bomb. It is very hard to get the icon to appear for it. It is also very hard to defuse the bomb. The icon will not come up.

Another problem is when you plant a bomb; you have a meter that shows you how long until you plant the bomb. It’s a gauge that fills as you hold “x” to plant the bomb. The problem is, when it’s done, it forces you to go through an animation of planting the bomb, where you normally get shot by someone because of it. If the meter fills up, the bomb should be planted. The animation should happen WHILE the meter is filling, not after. If you have to wait on the animation, then what is the point of the meter in the first place? FIX THIS!

6) No communication.
The microphones are an entire problem themselves. The system all in all is pretty good.
The amount of time you can talk should be a setting the host can change. Also, a full duplex option would be nice. Sometimes people need to talk for a while, to explain things. Sometimes, someone hijacks the microphone, and you need to take it back. Sometimes the microphone will just cut you off for no reason. If you reach the end of your talking time, the microphone will cut you off, and then not work again for a while. That needs to be fixed.

7) Little Things.
These are annoying things that would be nice, if they were fixed in this game, or in future releases.
a) The intro to the game itself will not let you bypass it, until AFTER it says Zipper, and Sony. I want to be able to hit a button, and go straight to the title screen. The intro might be nice the first time you play the game, but after that it becomes a time consuming annoyance.
b) The time it takes to log on. Because only 256 people can get into one server, it takes FOREVER to get into a game and play it. The other night, I started trying to log on at 8pm, and I did not get into a game, and start playing until 9:40 pm. I do not have that kind of time to waste.
c) Private games. There should be an option to enter in an I.P. address, and connect to a private game.

How to fix the problems.
a) Allow a Universe that doesn’t require the update patches. Give people a choice. This has been done to allow International players to play with everyone, but Sony only did this, after a method of connecting to other servers was found, by using your DNS settings on your internet connection settings. I would like for something to be done BEFORE someone “hacks” it.
b) Game play, not paranoia.
Be concerned with how the game plays, and not paranoia over if someone will cheat or not.
c) Players = Police.
Let the players be the police. If someone is cheating or glitching, the players will vote them out of the game. In general, most players are legit players, and will not tolerate cheating. Having a few people cheat will not ruin the game, however, changing the game code, and altering EVERYONES game play, does ruin the game. Now people can’t get past a dead body in a doorway, and they get shot, because they cannot fight or move. I would almost rather have that one cheater, then to have my personal game play messed up. In tournaments, they have refs who are spectators. If someone is cheating or glitching, they can see them, and will notify the players. We don't need you reprogramming the game every month, and making the game worse.

Summary:
EVERY player I have talked to online, says EVERYTIME there is an update, the game gets worse. This isn’t a game of skill anymore. It has turned into a game of luck. Whoever’s bullets work at that time is the lucky one. We as players would like the game to be fixed, but we want the REAL problems to be fixed. Problems like connection, hit detection, scoring, and rank. Not paranoia based “cheating” problems. We can police ourselves. The cheaters can have their cheating rooms, and the legit players will make sure they are not cheating in legit rooms. Don't force us to sit through intros that take our time. Use servers that go beyond 256 connections. It would be nice to see pings in the room. The most important thing is to give us a Universe that is the original game, with NO updates. You would be surprised to see how many people would play on that server.
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Let my post this again. There...is...all...ready...a...thread...on...this. ..same...exact...subject!

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