Vote BUSH/CHENEY 2004 -- Here's why...

[LuFeng]

well if YOU REALLY believe he is responsible for the deaths/beatings etc you are not only misled but WRONG.so whos responsible for the beheadings,etc in iraq???? hmmm. its the war and ppl your fighting against.they killed and held our troops in NAM because we were there and shouldnt have been, not cause of kerry, once again talk to veterans then make a desicion, not by an article or movie.also explain why our soldiers when returning home had such a hard time being recieved by the public, now thats ******!

[reclinerace]

ok lufeng, why do you think that kerry is better?

[SOCOMisAWESOME]

Feng -- You are making very little sense right now...

You know who's chopping of American heads? The terrorists! Guess what Feng, they attacked our country and killed thousands. You're saying it was wrong to go to war? How could you say that?

[DaKilla]

Originally Posted by SOCOMisAWESOME

I must say, you never touched on the point that Kerry was responsible for the tortures and deaths of dozens of his fellow soldiers in Vietnam. THAT alone should keep the man from becoming President.

If you seriously think one man is responsible for the actions done against all those people, you need to get some common sense. He wasn't the only one against the war, and you even agree with that, making this point invalid.

Originally Posted by SOCOMisAWESOME

Secondly, I respect the man for serving in Vietnam. What a terrible war it was, indeed. The problem with his serving are his lies to Congress, and the effects it had on our boys.

Once again, if you honestly believe that his words, and only his words, had an effect on anything, you are sorely mistaken. They were killing Americans because they held them prisoner and were trying to get information. It wasn't a technique of revenge.

Originally Posted by SOCOMisAWESOME

Thirdly, Bush did not get out of service at all. He served in the National Guard until he was allowed to get out. He recieved honorable discharges from all of his officials, and deserves respect from us. Speaking of honorable, throwing away medals which you recieved, in the face of the American Public, is not honorable. While it is not honorable, it is denegrading for the public to see. Have you listened to the man speak before? He is the most negative candidate I have ever seen, on most every issue. The man has no optimism.

Oh, National Guard; honorable discharges, wow. Does anyone really care? He doesn't deserve any more respect than the next person. By the way, throwing away medals is protected by the First Amendment, it is an act of free expression. There is nothing wrong with (peaceful) protesting. Are you sure you're not mistaking realistic for pessimistic?

Originally Posted by SOCOMisAWESOME

You, sir, do not understand the issue of Vietnam at all. NOBODY liked Vietnam, but that issue alone is not reason enough to say fowl things about your country (referring to Kerry.) The moves that our country make should be respected and followed by all Americans, whether they disagree or not.

Rethink what you've said, SIR.

Blindly follow? And yet we blame the Nazis for doing Hitler's bidding. Think about your contradictory statements before you make them. Everyone thought Nazi officials were wrong for doing what they were told, yet when it happens in America, you're expected to do the same. Anyone smell something fishy?

[Mr Belvedere]

Originally Posted by LuFeng

well if YOU REALLY believe he is responsible for the deaths/beatings etc you are not only misled but WRONG.so whos responsible for the beheadings,etc in iraq???? hmmm. its the war and ppl your fighting against.they killed and held our troops in NAM because we were there and shouldnt have been, not cause of kerry, once again talk to veterans then make a desicion, not by an article or movie.also explain why our soldiers when returning home had such a hard time being recieved by the public, now thats ******!

Is this why military families favor Bush 3 to 1? Soldiers favor Bush 4 to 1? And a record number of troops are re-enlisting, even those who lost limbs?

It's obvious that there is a good portion of the soldiers over there who are seeing what we are doing right. Check this article out from a VETERAN about his son's deployment to Iraq: http://www.nypost.com/commentary/32733.htm

The fact is Northern Iraq is prospering now with our help. Why do you think you only hear about violence in certain cities? Iraq is the size of California, and if the people hate us that much, don't you think you'd be hearing about violence in cities other than Sadr City, Fallujah, and Najaf?

And also, you cannot blame Bush for the beheadings. The fact is many of these terrorists have always wanted to kill Americans and Jews. We just never made a big deal about Al Qaeda killing Americans in Saudi Arabia, the first WTC bombings, or the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa under Clinton. Sooner or later, we'd have to do something, and I am of the belief that Iraq was the correct decision. You can say it was wrong in HINDSIGHT, but check up the quotes by the Clintons (both Hillary & Bill) and John Kerry before we went in. They all concurred that Saddam Hussein was a threat who needed to be taken down.

P.S. I do have friends serving in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan; they all believe they are doing the right thing and witnessing the good we are doing.

[Mr Belvedere]

Also, there will NOT be a draft, as much as MTV and the media wants you to believe. Bush has promised there will not be one, Rumsfeld has stated over and over again that there is no need for a draft. Having a draft would lead to political suicide.

Remember, the Congressman who was trying to pass draft legislation this year was a Democrat. The Bill failed with only 2 senators voting for it!!!

Also, the last president to abolish the draft was a Republican, Richard Nixon. Who spearheaded the abolishment? Illinois Congressman Donald Rumsfeld started the legislation and then joined Nixon's campaign to do away with it.

After fighting for it 30 years ago, do you really think Rumsfeld would go against all he fought for? Highly unlikely...

[Mr Belvedere]

Just for those who want to read, here are some quotes from the opponents of the Iraq war, including Kerry. Do you really think we would have NOT gone in with someone else as president?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity
to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver
them. That is our bottom line."
-- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
-- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here] but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state
will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our
allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998

"He [Saddam Hussein] will use those weapons of mass destruction
again, as he has ten times since 1983."
-- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions
(including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi
sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal
to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
-- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D, MI),
Tom Daschle (D), John Kerry (D, MA) and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has . . . chosen to spend his money on building weapons of
mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his
weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and
nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War
status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems
and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to
develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States
and our allies."
-- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored
the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he [Saddam Hussein] has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Vice President Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
-- Vice President Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We
are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of
chemical and biological weapons and that he has since embarked on a
crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare
capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking
nuclear weapons. . . ."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years . . . We also should remember we
have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in
development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He [Saddam Hussein] has systematically violated, over the course of
the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded
that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons and
any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. . . . It is clear, however,
that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a
brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . . . He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so
consistently prone to miscalculation. . . . And now he is
miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. . . . So the
threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
real. . . ."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[DaKilla]

As much as I disagree with your point of veiw, Mr Belvedere, I would like to ask you to limit your triple posting to a single post.

Thank you.

[reclinerace]

to reply to the last post on this thread.....
*ahem*HELL YEAH WERE DOING SOME GOOD!!! IF YA CANT ROOT FOR THE HOMT TEAM, GET OUT OF THE FRIGGIN BALLPARK!!!GO AMERICA!!!!

[SOCOMisAWESOME]

Dakilla. Would you please state your stance on whether or not we should've invaded Iraq. Secondly, your leader, Schroeder, is one of the most moronic people ever...

Dakilla, the 1st Amendment may allow certain things as to get rid of medals, but this is aside from the point. Whether or not people agree with our decision for Vietnam, it is wrong to turn your backs on your feloow soldiers, lie about acts they never committed, and curse the United States, WHILE upholding the ways of communist Vietnam.

Would you really want a man who spoke AGANIST the U.S. 35 years ago, to be Commander and Chief today?